Rereading his comments, I might have been a little overreactive. The comments are accurate, but the problem is if

Sep 23, 2021
7:57:59am

specsauce All-American

someone like Ohio State had the same type of schedule, they would be worshipped for having played so well against ranked teams at the time. And quite frankly, I'm still not convinced the Big10 is actually really good outside 2-3 teams.

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Mandel's Mailbag: BYU playing “steaming pile of garbage” PAC12 teams

flyonawall

9/23/21 7:12am

To me that says more about how the Pac 12 is perceived than anything else

MojosDojo

9/23/21 7:15am

Yep. But why pt out the real problem when you can scapegoat it under the rug?

SinkingQuffa

9/23/21 7:44am

The winner of the PAC-12 south has never been seriously considered for Natty.

RealityCheck

9/23/21 12:46pm

Which is why we can't keep playing them. Need the better competition in Big XII

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:10pm

BYU never really had at shot at an NC.

Baron

9/23/21 7:21am

Yep. NY6 is the goal here, not CFP

LiveCoug

9/23/21 7:23am

What a great system!! Eliminated before a single snap is even taken! GO TEAM!

Mr. Scoobs

9/23/21 8:51am

Not surprised - move the goal line. First it’s “you don’t play P5’s”, now it’s

truecougster

9/23/21 10:52am

Which is why we should be cheering for Utah & ASU in all the rest of their games

lbmango

9/23/21 11:40am

Well, I can hope AZ and AZ State win out. No go on cheering the other.

'92Coug

9/23/21 12:28pm

I’m with you - it’s too funny when Utah loses. It’s not going to move the needle

truecougster

9/23/21 12:49pm

Living in Salt Lake County

davidsonlaw

9/23/21 3:44pm

RE: Which is why we should be cheering for Utah & ASU in all the rest of

SageOwl

9/23/21 1:04pm

Yep, they would take any 2 loss SEC team before an undefeated BYU

astroman

9/23/21 7:35am

Unfortunate reality, not even just being negative

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:14pm

Wow. We have such battered-fan syndrome. Be negative if you want, but beating 7

BamaCoug

9/23/21 7:42am

Conversation, sure. An undefeated BYU will be a topic of conversation.

LiveCoug

9/23/21 7:48am

Here is the logic : SEC Champ gets in. Big 10 Champ gets in.

Baron

9/23/21 7:51am

Also this ignores the real possibility of the SEC 3#. Georgia, Florida, and Bama all could be in before BYU gets in.

Baron

9/23/21 7:57am

Yes. But we'd have a whole lot of support from the national media

SinkingQuffa

9/23/21 8:08am

Just tell me which of those would the national media put us in over? I mean Penn State was booted for OSU one year and

Baron

9/23/21 8:09am

Not saying it would likely get us in — but it'd be a fun place for our program.

SinkingQuffa

9/23/21 8:22am

SEC has no chance to get three teams, sorry. One of them will have two losses

moknowssports

9/23/21 8:14am

It is more likely they get 3 teams than BYU gets in. IMO

Baron

9/23/21 8:16am

Don't disagree here...would take us being undefeated, our opponents doing well,

moknowssports

9/23/21 8:35am

Well, no. They don't need to have 2 losses. Bama 13-0, UGA 12-1, Texas A&M 11-1.

Hotlanta

9/23/21 8:29am

Seems very likely possible actually, maybe even likely

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:16pm

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Pretorian

9/23/21 12:11pm

Although I don’t disagree with you, you do realize you’re incorrectly using the

Pretorian

9/23/21 12:12pm

If BYU is undefeated by the time they get to USC that will be a big game in the

byublue42

9/23/21 8:05am

A win over USC wouldn't carry much weight. The media would spin it so fast

reddead

9/23/21 10:53am

It will take some chaos, but BYU definitely has a shot. For teams that aren’t

DescendentCoug

9/23/21 1:04pm

Agreed. 1984 is a perfect example of the stars aligning.

Hill4Heisman

9/23/21 1:36pm

1984

bjc

9/23/21 10:17am

He says "But like with any team, it’s going to depend on whether all those Power

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:12pm

If it's not 3 SEC teams you still are not worthy

byukarl

9/23/21 7:26am

Last season: “you didn’t play a P5 schedule.” Now: “Well, besides the PAC 12.”

TheWanderer

9/23/21 7:27am

There will always be an excuse. Even when we're in the B12, if/when we have a magical season, they'll find something

Marc Spector

9/23/21 7:39am

Even some of the P5 is out. Think TCU/Baylor getting jumped by tOSU in 2014.

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 3:47pm

Two wins against ranked teams in a row...they aren't very good. Mostly P5 teams...they aren't the cream of the crop.

specsauce

9/23/21 7:44am

Rereading his comments, I might have been a little overreactive. The comments are accurate, but the problem is if

specsauce

9/23/21 7:57am

I actually agree with this take. Barring a perfect storm of upsets, BYU is

goodcleanfun

9/23/21 7:47am

Truth

B Blue

9/23/21 7:49am

Like two loss Utah winning the Pac12 and two loss Virginia winning the ACC?

zia cougar

9/23/21 7:52am

Have they?

Hotlanta

9/23/21 7:55am

Utah has and the season is young. They didn't want to give BYU the NC in 1984.

zia cougar

9/23/21 8:04am

according to three utes in a basement they have.

Pangare

9/23/21 8:06am

If we are honest, the SEC probably does have more than one team in the top 4

Colorado

9/23/21 8:05am

He’s right. The PAC-12 is in fact a steaming pile of garbage.

Silvex

9/23/21 8:10am

Never know. Utah is Rising from the ashes, ASU will figure out its control issue

Florwood

9/23/21 8:14am

Utah hasn't started rising yet.

byujdmba

9/23/21 8:41am

But they will start him on Saturday

ochobeeguy

9/23/21 10:04am

I'm sure that together they'll reach their goals.

HiLife

9/23/21 9:40am

Not saying he's incorrect, but do want to point out the moving goal post

Blue Ridge

9/23/21 8:33am

This isn't moving the goal posts.

kudzucoug

9/23/21 8:41am

If we were in the Pac12 and beat Oregon in title game to go 12-0, would it be

Colorado

9/23/21 9:24am

I literally said, replace Oregon with Arizona and it would probably be enough.

kudzucoug

9/23/21 9:57am

Yeah good point. USC could be the Oregon though.

HONOMO

9/23/21 10:20am

They could be. But with how down the PAC12 is, they have little margin for

kudzucoug

9/23/21 11:46am

I’m only saying there is probably a bump just for being P5

Colorado

9/23/21 10:52am

But if USC had run the table, that would be enough? They would also just be

RGGeemer

9/23/21 9:42am

Yes, if USC went undefeated (which would include a win over Oregon)

kudzucoug

9/23/21 9:58am

We'd have a win over USC... it's just dumb is all I'm saying. Just because we

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:11am

What about USC makes you think they are equivalent to Oregon right now?

kudzucoug

9/23/21 10:21am

But being in a conference, you are guaranteed to play all of the bottom dwellers

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:23am

And for BYU, if they lose to us, they are automatically labeled as 'bad'. Why?

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:25am

I never made that claim.

kudzucoug

9/23/21 10:35am

So why would Utah get lauded for beating ASU and we just get 'well maybe they

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:41am

Who said they would?

kudzucoug

9/23/21 11:39am

Oregon will probably lose though. We'll see.

HONOMO

9/23/21 10:21am

i see how it works... if we beat them, they must be bad teams

Hill4Heisman

9/23/21 9:38am

THIS is what I’ve been saying. But i’ve been getting some serious flak on CB.

canofpicante

9/23/21 9:39am

We still don’t really know. Obviously, Arizona isn’t great. Utah may turn

Colorado

9/23/21 9:51am

Agreed.

canofpicante

9/23/21 10:03am

I can't disagree, but we are not overrated when you take into consideration that

md7Coug

9/23/21 10:58am

Any rating opinion is exactly that: An opinion. I think there are many more than

canofpicante

9/23/21 11:49am

2 of the 3 teams were ranked in the top 25 when we beat them....

RGGeemer

9/23/21 9:40am

Cam Rising will be our savior this year and take the Utes undefeated the rest of

SFarkus

9/23/21 10:11am

Or maybe BYU's dominating wins shocked the confidence of these teams?

CharlottesvilleCoug

9/23/21 11:21am

They still need to recover or they will just be bad teams.

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:15pm

Maybe if Utah, ASU or USC were PAC12 champs and Baylor was the Big XII champ and

Fdnman

9/23/21 12:21pm

We’re 9 games away. I’ll wait a while before I think about it.

Acorn

9/23/21 1:20pm

Didn’t this loser say two weeks ago that the pac12 was better than the big12

travelcoug

9/23/21 2:27pm

In two weeks they went to only having one hope at the playoff.

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 3:49pm

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