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I’m only saying there is probably a bump just for being P5
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Mandel's Mailbag: BYU playing “steaming pile of garbage” PAC12 teams
flyonawall
9/23/21 7:12am
To me that says more about how the Pac 12 is perceived than anything else
MojosDojo
9/23/21 7:15am
Yep. But why pt out the real problem when you can scapegoat it under the rug?
SinkingQuffa
9/23/21 7:44am
The winner of the PAC-12 south has never been seriously considered for Natty.
RealityCheck
9/23/21 12:46pm
Which is why we can't keep playing them. Need the better competition in Big XII
SoBlueitHurts
9/23/21 2:10pm
BYU never really had at shot at an NC.
Baron
9/23/21 7:21am
Yep. NY6 is the goal here, not CFP
LiveCoug
9/23/21 7:23am
What a great system!! Eliminated before a single snap is even taken! GO TEAM!
Mr. Scoobs
9/23/21 8:51am
Not surprised - move the goal line. First it’s “you don’t play P5’s”, now it’s
truecougster
9/23/21 10:52am
Which is why we should be cheering for Utah & ASU in all the rest of their games
lbmango
9/23/21 11:40am
Well, I can hope AZ and AZ State win out. No go on cheering the other.
'92Coug
9/23/21 12:28pm
I’m with you - it’s too funny when Utah loses. It’s not going to move the needle
truecougster
9/23/21 12:49pm
Living in Salt Lake County
davidsonlaw
9/23/21 3:44pm
RE: Which is why we should be cheering for Utah & ASU in all the rest of
SageOwl
9/23/21 1:04pm
Yep, they would take any 2 loss SEC team before an undefeated BYU
astroman
9/23/21 7:35am
Unfortunate reality, not even just being negative
SoBlueitHurts
9/23/21 2:14pm
Wow. We have such battered-fan syndrome. Be negative if you want, but beating 7
BamaCoug
9/23/21 7:42am
Conversation, sure. An undefeated BYU will be a topic of conversation.
LiveCoug
9/23/21 7:48am
Here is the logic : SEC Champ gets in. Big 10 Champ gets in.
Baron
9/23/21 7:51am
Also this ignores the real possibility of the SEC 3#. Georgia, Florida, and Bama all could be in before BYU gets in.
Baron
9/23/21 7:57am
Yes. But we'd have a whole lot of support from the national media
SinkingQuffa
9/23/21 8:08am
Just tell me which of those would the national media put us in over? I mean Penn State was booted for OSU one year and
Baron
9/23/21 8:09am
Not saying it would likely get us in — but it'd be a fun place for our program.
SinkingQuffa
9/23/21 8:22am
SEC has no chance to get three teams, sorry. One of them will have two losses
moknowssports
9/23/21 8:14am
It is more likely they get 3 teams than BYU gets in. IMO
Baron
9/23/21 8:16am
Don't disagree here...would take us being undefeated, our opponents doing well,
moknowssports
9/23/21 8:35am
Well, no. They don't need to have 2 losses. Bama 13-0, UGA 12-1, Texas A&M 11-1.
Hotlanta
9/23/21 8:29am
Seems very likely possible actually, maybe even likely
SoBlueitHurts
9/23/21 2:16pm
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Pretorian
9/23/21 12:11pm
Although I don’t disagree with you, you do realize you’re incorrectly using the
Pretorian
9/23/21 12:12pm
If BYU is undefeated by the time they get to USC that will be a big game in the
byublue42
9/23/21 8:05am
A win over USC wouldn't carry much weight. The media would spin it so fast
reddead
9/23/21 10:53am
It will take some chaos, but BYU definitely has a shot. For teams that aren’t
DescendentCoug
9/23/21 1:04pm
Agreed. 1984 is a perfect example of the stars aligning.
Hill4Heisman
9/23/21 1:36pm
1984
bjc
9/23/21 10:17am
He says "But like with any team, it’s going to depend on whether all those Power
SoBlueitHurts
9/23/21 2:12pm
If it's not 3 SEC teams you still are not worthy
byukarl
9/23/21 7:26am
Last season: “you didn’t play a P5 schedule.” Now: “Well, besides the PAC 12.”
TheWanderer
9/23/21 7:27am
There will always be an excuse. Even when we're in the B12, if/when we have a magical season, they'll find something
Marc Spector
9/23/21 7:39am
Even some of the P5 is out. Think TCU/Baylor getting jumped by tOSU in 2014.
SoBlueitHurts
9/23/21 3:47pm
Two wins against ranked teams in a row...they aren't very good. Mostly P5 teams...they aren't the cream of the crop.
specsauce
9/23/21 7:44am
Rereading his comments, I might have been a little overreactive. The comments are accurate, but the problem is if
specsauce
9/23/21 7:57am
I actually agree with this take. Barring a perfect storm of upsets, BYU is
goodcleanfun
9/23/21 7:47am
Truth
B Blue
9/23/21 7:49am
Like two loss Utah winning the Pac12 and two loss Virginia winning the ACC?
zia cougar
9/23/21 7:52am
Have they?
Hotlanta
9/23/21 7:55am
Utah has and the season is young. They didn't want to give BYU the NC in 1984.
zia cougar
9/23/21 8:04am
according to three utes in a basement they have.
Pangare
9/23/21 8:06am
If we are honest, the SEC probably does have more than one team in the top 4
Colorado
9/23/21 8:05am
He’s right. The PAC-12 is in fact a steaming pile of garbage.
Silvex
9/23/21 8:10am
Never know. Utah is Rising from the ashes, ASU will figure out its control issue
Florwood
9/23/21 8:14am
Utah hasn't started rising yet.
byujdmba
9/23/21 8:41am
But they will start him on Saturday
ochobeeguy
9/23/21 10:04am
I'm sure that together they'll reach their goals.
HiLife
9/23/21 9:40am
Not saying he's incorrect, but do want to point out the moving goal post
Blue Ridge
9/23/21 8:33am
This isn't moving the goal posts.
kudzucoug
9/23/21 8:41am
If we were in the Pac12 and beat Oregon in title game to go 12-0, would it be
Colorado
9/23/21 9:24am
I literally said, replace Oregon with Arizona and it would probably be enough.
kudzucoug
9/23/21 9:57am
Yeah good point. USC could be the Oregon though.
HONOMO
9/23/21 10:20am
They could be. But with how down the PAC12 is, they have little margin for
kudzucoug
9/23/21 11:46am
I’m only saying there is probably a bump just for being P5
Colorado
9/23/21 10:52am
But if USC had run the table, that would be enough? They would also just be
RGGeemer
9/23/21 9:42am
Yes, if USC went undefeated (which would include a win over Oregon)
kudzucoug
9/23/21 9:58am
We'd have a win over USC... it's just dumb is all I'm saying. Just because we
RGGeemer
9/23/21 10:11am
What about USC makes you think they are equivalent to Oregon right now?
kudzucoug
9/23/21 10:21am
But being in a conference, you are guaranteed to play all of the bottom dwellers
RGGeemer
9/23/21 10:23am
And for BYU, if they lose to us, they are automatically labeled as 'bad'. Why?
RGGeemer
9/23/21 10:25am
I never made that claim.
kudzucoug
9/23/21 10:35am
So why would Utah get lauded for beating ASU and we just get 'well maybe they
RGGeemer
9/23/21 10:41am
Who said they would?
kudzucoug
9/23/21 11:39am
Oregon will probably lose though. We'll see.
HONOMO
9/23/21 10:21am
i see how it works... if we beat them, they must be bad teams
Hill4Heisman
9/23/21 9:38am
THIS is what I’ve been saying. But i’ve been getting some serious flak on CB.
canofpicante
9/23/21 9:39am
We still don’t really know. Obviously, Arizona isn’t great. Utah may turn
Colorado
9/23/21 9:51am
Agreed.
canofpicante
9/23/21 10:03am
I can't disagree, but we are not overrated when you take into consideration that
md7Coug
9/23/21 10:58am
Any rating opinion is exactly that: An opinion. I think there are many more than
canofpicante
9/23/21 11:49am
2 of the 3 teams were ranked in the top 25 when we beat them....
RGGeemer
9/23/21 9:40am
Cam Rising will be our savior this year and take the Utes undefeated the rest of
SFarkus
9/23/21 10:11am
Or maybe BYU's dominating wins shocked the confidence of these teams?
CharlottesvilleCoug
9/23/21 11:21am
They still need to recover or they will just be bad teams.
SoBlueitHurts
9/23/21 2:15pm
Maybe if Utah, ASU or USC were PAC12 champs and Baylor was the Big XII champ and
Fdnman
9/23/21 12:21pm
We’re 9 games away. I’ll wait a while before I think about it.
Acorn
9/23/21 1:20pm
Didn’t this loser say two weeks ago that the pac12 was better than the big12
travelcoug
9/23/21 2:27pm
In two weeks they went to only having one hope at the playoff.
SoBlueitHurts
9/23/21 3:49pm
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