Agreed. 1984 is a perfect example of the stars aligning.

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Mandel's Mailbag: BYU playing “steaming pile of garbage” PAC12 teams

flyonawall

9/23/21 7:12am

To me that says more about how the Pac 12 is perceived than anything else

MojosDojo

9/23/21 7:15am

Yep. But why pt out the real problem when you can scapegoat it under the rug?

SinkingQuffa

9/23/21 7:44am

The winner of the PAC-12 south has never been seriously considered for Natty.

RealityCheck

9/23/21 12:46pm

Which is why we can't keep playing them. Need the better competition in Big XII

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:10pm

BYU never really had at shot at an NC.

Baron

9/23/21 7:21am

Yep. NY6 is the goal here, not CFP

LiveCoug

9/23/21 7:23am

What a great system!! Eliminated before a single snap is even taken! GO TEAM!

Mr. Scoobs

9/23/21 8:51am

Not surprised - move the goal line. First it’s “you don’t play P5’s”, now it’s

truecougster

9/23/21 10:52am

Which is why we should be cheering for Utah & ASU in all the rest of their games

lbmango

9/23/21 11:40am

Well, I can hope AZ and AZ State win out. No go on cheering the other.

'92Coug

9/23/21 12:28pm

I’m with you - it’s too funny when Utah loses. It’s not going to move the needle

truecougster

9/23/21 12:49pm

Living in Salt Lake County

davidsonlaw

9/23/21 3:44pm

RE: Which is why we should be cheering for Utah & ASU in all the rest of

SageOwl

9/23/21 1:04pm

Yep, they would take any 2 loss SEC team before an undefeated BYU

astroman

9/23/21 7:35am

Unfortunate reality, not even just being negative

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:14pm

Wow. We have such battered-fan syndrome. Be negative if you want, but beating 7

BamaCoug

9/23/21 7:42am

Conversation, sure. An undefeated BYU will be a topic of conversation.

LiveCoug

9/23/21 7:48am

Here is the logic : SEC Champ gets in. Big 10 Champ gets in.

Baron

9/23/21 7:51am

Also this ignores the real possibility of the SEC 3#. Georgia, Florida, and Bama all could be in before BYU gets in.

Baron

9/23/21 7:57am

Yes. But we'd have a whole lot of support from the national media

SinkingQuffa

9/23/21 8:08am

Just tell me which of those would the national media put us in over? I mean Penn State was booted for OSU one year and

Baron

9/23/21 8:09am

Not saying it would likely get us in — but it'd be a fun place for our program.

SinkingQuffa

9/23/21 8:22am

SEC has no chance to get three teams, sorry. One of them will have two losses

moknowssports

9/23/21 8:14am

It is more likely they get 3 teams than BYU gets in. IMO

Baron

9/23/21 8:16am

Don't disagree here...would take us being undefeated, our opponents doing well,

moknowssports

9/23/21 8:35am

Well, no. They don't need to have 2 losses. Bama 13-0, UGA 12-1, Texas A&M 11-1.

Hotlanta

9/23/21 8:29am

Seems very likely possible actually, maybe even likely

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:16pm

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Pretorian

9/23/21 12:11pm

Although I don’t disagree with you, you do realize you’re incorrectly using the

Pretorian

9/23/21 12:12pm

If BYU is undefeated by the time they get to USC that will be a big game in the

byublue42

9/23/21 8:05am

A win over USC wouldn't carry much weight. The media would spin it so fast

reddead

9/23/21 10:53am

It will take some chaos, but BYU definitely has a shot. For teams that aren’t

DescendentCoug

9/23/21 1:04pm

Agreed. 1984 is a perfect example of the stars aligning.

Hill4Heisman

9/23/21 1:36pm

1984

bjc

9/23/21 10:17am

He says "But like with any team, it’s going to depend on whether all those Power

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:12pm

If it's not 3 SEC teams you still are not worthy

byukarl

9/23/21 7:26am

Last season: “you didn’t play a P5 schedule.” Now: “Well, besides the PAC 12.”

TheWanderer

9/23/21 7:27am

There will always be an excuse. Even when we're in the B12, if/when we have a magical season, they'll find something

Marc Spector

9/23/21 7:39am

Even some of the P5 is out. Think TCU/Baylor getting jumped by tOSU in 2014.

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 3:47pm

Two wins against ranked teams in a row...they aren't very good. Mostly P5 teams...they aren't the cream of the crop.

specsauce

9/23/21 7:44am

Rereading his comments, I might have been a little overreactive. The comments are accurate, but the problem is if

specsauce

9/23/21 7:57am

I actually agree with this take. Barring a perfect storm of upsets, BYU is

goodcleanfun

9/23/21 7:47am

Truth

B Blue

9/23/21 7:49am

Like two loss Utah winning the Pac12 and two loss Virginia winning the ACC?

zia cougar

9/23/21 7:52am

Have they?

Hotlanta

9/23/21 7:55am

Utah has and the season is young. They didn't want to give BYU the NC in 1984.

zia cougar

9/23/21 8:04am

according to three utes in a basement they have.

Pangare

9/23/21 8:06am

If we are honest, the SEC probably does have more than one team in the top 4

Colorado

9/23/21 8:05am

He’s right. The PAC-12 is in fact a steaming pile of garbage.

Silvex

9/23/21 8:10am

Never know. Utah is Rising from the ashes, ASU will figure out its control issue

Florwood

9/23/21 8:14am

Utah hasn't started rising yet.

byujdmba

9/23/21 8:41am

But they will start him on Saturday

ochobeeguy

9/23/21 10:04am

I'm sure that together they'll reach their goals.

HiLife

9/23/21 9:40am

Not saying he's incorrect, but do want to point out the moving goal post

Blue Ridge

9/23/21 8:33am

This isn't moving the goal posts.

kudzucoug

9/23/21 8:41am

If we were in the Pac12 and beat Oregon in title game to go 12-0, would it be

Colorado

9/23/21 9:24am

I literally said, replace Oregon with Arizona and it would probably be enough.

kudzucoug

9/23/21 9:57am

Yeah good point. USC could be the Oregon though.

HONOMO

9/23/21 10:20am

They could be. But with how down the PAC12 is, they have little margin for

kudzucoug

9/23/21 11:46am

I’m only saying there is probably a bump just for being P5

Colorado

9/23/21 10:52am

But if USC had run the table, that would be enough? They would also just be

RGGeemer

9/23/21 9:42am

Yes, if USC went undefeated (which would include a win over Oregon)

kudzucoug

9/23/21 9:58am

We'd have a win over USC... it's just dumb is all I'm saying. Just because we

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:11am

What about USC makes you think they are equivalent to Oregon right now?

kudzucoug

9/23/21 10:21am

But being in a conference, you are guaranteed to play all of the bottom dwellers

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:23am

And for BYU, if they lose to us, they are automatically labeled as 'bad'. Why?

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:25am

I never made that claim.

kudzucoug

9/23/21 10:35am

So why would Utah get lauded for beating ASU and we just get 'well maybe they

RGGeemer

9/23/21 10:41am

Who said they would?

kudzucoug

9/23/21 11:39am

Oregon will probably lose though. We'll see.

HONOMO

9/23/21 10:21am

i see how it works... if we beat them, they must be bad teams

Hill4Heisman

9/23/21 9:38am

THIS is what I’ve been saying. But i’ve been getting some serious flak on CB.

canofpicante

9/23/21 9:39am

We still don’t really know. Obviously, Arizona isn’t great. Utah may turn

Colorado

9/23/21 9:51am

Agreed.

canofpicante

9/23/21 10:03am

I can't disagree, but we are not overrated when you take into consideration that

md7Coug

9/23/21 10:58am

Any rating opinion is exactly that: An opinion. I think there are many more than

canofpicante

9/23/21 11:49am

2 of the 3 teams were ranked in the top 25 when we beat them....

RGGeemer

9/23/21 9:40am

Cam Rising will be our savior this year and take the Utes undefeated the rest of

SFarkus

9/23/21 10:11am

Or maybe BYU's dominating wins shocked the confidence of these teams?

CharlottesvilleCoug

9/23/21 11:21am

They still need to recover or they will just be bad teams.

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 2:15pm

Maybe if Utah, ASU or USC were PAC12 champs and Baylor was the Big XII champ and

Fdnman

9/23/21 12:21pm

We’re 9 games away. I’ll wait a while before I think about it.

Acorn

9/23/21 1:20pm

Didn’t this loser say two weeks ago that the pac12 was better than the big12

travelcoug

9/23/21 2:27pm

In two weeks they went to only having one hope at the playoff.

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/21 3:49pm

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