RE : “Previously loyal” : Nitpick at my wording all you want. Kitty cat. Is that all you guys got?

Sep 24, 2022
12:39:23pm

greatbam 1% better everyday

Do you have any evidence of Holker being a bad teammate? No you don’t.

Doesn’t loyalty goes both ways? If the coaches promised something and didn’t deliver then that’s disloyalty ( individual level instead of team ) too.

A lot of this is tribalism..of course your going to go after a player that left the team and not any of the coaches that are still are part of the program.

Holker left the BYU tribe for another tribe.

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Straight from the mouth of Dennis Pitta himself...

canndyman

9/23/22 4:16pm

Holker quitting was a loser move, but I'd rather BYU utilize more TE routes, especially if the running games < 3ypc

Bert609

9/23/22 4:19pm

Quiting 3 games in is pathetic...

canndyman

9/23/22 4:29pm

He had to quit now otherwise he loses a year of eligibility.

Parker Schnabel

9/23/22 4:40pm

He’s too old to play 2 more years elsewhere and still hope to make it in the NFL

KingDave

9/23/22 4:46pm

You’re talking to a wall man. There’s no such thing as quitting to preserve eligibility for a bunch of CBers..

greatbam

9/23/22 7:24pm

not true. he could've played one more game and still red-shirted

icecougar

9/23/22 8:02pm

And you think people here would have reacted much better if he transferred after 4?

krindorr

9/23/22 11:54pm

BOO HOO....

BYU4eVeR

9/23/22 8:39pm

I'd be willing to be called a loser on CB for a better chance to play in the NFL

Shore10

9/23/22 5:16pm

We’ll see if he sticks. I’m betting against. If he does, good for him. But he

gwalker

9/23/22 5:33pm

I just don't see how leaving gets him better draft prospects

JuicyJam

9/23/22 6:19pm

He leaves for a scheme that utilizes TE more. That gets him higher draft stock.

Shore10

9/23/22 7:09pm

Do you think calling Holker a ‘loser’ wins points w/ current/prospective players

BYU'01

9/23/22 7:54pm

BYU “underutilized” the TEs last year too. This wasn’t a dramatic change.

DieHarder

9/23/22 4:20pm

Maybe he was told more balls would be thrown to tight ends this year?

bluelands

9/23/22 4:23pm

If so, three games isn’t much of a sample size to decide that wasn’t the case.

DieHarder

9/23/22 4:29pm

For him it was since he is going to redshirt

bluelands

9/23/22 4:30pm

I understand that was his logic behind his decision.

DieHarder

9/23/22 4:32pm

It’s a pretty good sample size when your 2 best receivers are out

pappabear246

9/23/22 8:32pm

They have been tho. Usage has gone up from 18 the past two years to 24% this year

Rat

9/23/22 4:29pm

Watch the games

stansburycoug

9/23/22 5:13pm

Is this to prove the point that the TE’s aren’t getting targeted or that Holker wasn’t being targeted? You can get upset

Rat

9/23/22 5:26pm

Rex actually moreso than Holker

stansburycoug

9/23/22 5:28pm

And you don’t hear him complaining. I think i’d rather have a Rex on my team more focused on doing what it takes to win

Rat

9/23/22 5:30pm

Im a fan. Complaining or not, minus Puka and Gunner I think it was a mistake

stansburycoug

9/23/22 5:38pm

No one is bagging on Holker's talent, it's his head and heart.

akbarishiwatsu

9/23/22 5:49pm

Blame himself.... He has to get OPEN to get thrown too.....

BYU4eVeR

9/23/22 8:48pm

Obvious you dont get what being the 3rd read is

stansburycoug

9/23/22 10:03pm

if you are the third best option that is what usually happens

Phreddy

9/24/22 12:15am

If Hall has to worry about certain guys getting throws instead of just winning

Belboz

9/23/22 4:59pm

I don't disagree...

canndyman

9/23/22 4:29pm

Last year for sure. This year, not convinced.

JuicyJam

9/23/22 4:34pm

Gonna keep playing that line to the end then. Who knows what happened behind the scenes? Maybe the coaches told him..

greatbam

9/23/22 7:27pm

The main problem isn't whether or not BYU underutilizes them...it's the timing

westsidecoug

9/23/22 4:22pm

How did he screw the team over?

bluelands

9/23/22 4:25pm

He was voted a co captain and bailed on his team mid season. There is that.

AZPTCOUG

9/23/22 4:26pm

That is certainly a bad look on him. Don't see how it hurts the team

bluelands

9/23/22 4:28pm

BYU only has so many scholarships

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

9/23/22 4:31pm

This is such garbage

bluelands

9/23/22 5:04pm

It’s not the whole reason but it’s definitely one of many reasons fans are upset

KingDave

9/23/22 5:06pm

Isn’t Built paying for everyone not on scholarship anyway? Honest question, I

kos

9/23/22 5:17pm

You’re right. I wonder if walk ons get all the additional benefits that schollie players do.

KingDave

9/23/22 5:27pm

There’s more than that but you aren’t satisfied by anything I guess

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

9/23/22 5:16pm

or is it the other way around? you aren't satisfied with any reason to not be

ColonelMustard

9/23/22 7:43pm

RE: or is it the other way around? you aren't satisfied with any reason to not

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

9/24/22 8:33am

Have you ever been a part of a team? Sports teams. Not like a debate team.

Phreddy

9/23/22 6:38pm

RE: This is such garbage

royalbluemenace

9/24/22 9:36am

Never heard of that guy.

AZPTCOUG

9/23/22 4:31pm

You don’t see how losing a starting TE/team captain hurts the team?

Metallicat

9/23/22 4:32pm

Rex is the starter

bluelands

9/23/22 5:05pm

And didn't Holker have more catches than him?

byusage

9/23/22 5:21pm

Not according to the depth chart.

Metallicat

9/23/22 9:08pm

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Metallicat

9/23/22 9:06pm

Starting captains on teams typically don't leave their team after 3 games.

westsidecoug

9/23/22 4:28pm

He took a lot of snaps from other guys who wanted to be on the team

Sandy Lyle

9/23/22 4:35pm

And a scholarship. Both things would have helped the team to have w/o him.

Soupie

9/23/22 5:29pm

RE: How did he screw the team over?

valcorger

9/23/22 4:51pm

You’re wasting your time. These “experts” have already declared Holker the jerk and they seem to blind to see it..

greatbam

9/23/22 7:32pm

I was loyal until I cheated, no one should be mad since I was loyal b4 that lol

GigantorCat

9/23/22 7:57pm

RE : “Previously loyal” : Nitpick at my wording all you want. Kitty cat. Is that all you guys got?

greatbam

9/24/22 12:39pm

previously loyal?!?! Bwahahaha.

westsidecoug

9/23/22 9:10pm

Previously loyal is the key phrase

Phreddy

9/24/22 12:08am

I agree. I don't understand why we arent

Goliath

9/23/22 4:22pm

BYU will be better offensively after the transfer, IMO. I think this will be

rcbyufan

9/23/22 4:22pm

Yep having Roberts, Puka, Rex, and Romney on the field at once will be great.

shamc

9/23/22 4:26pm

You heard of the RPO? The Grimes RVO? What about the RPR^2 offense?

AZPTCOUG

9/23/22 4:28pm

This could actually be part of it. Quite a few posters have hinted that there's more to it than we know

krindorr

9/23/22 11:59pm

But if that was the case why would Arod be surprised and gutted?? Interesting

Phreddy

9/24/22 12:21am

Holker was open at the end of the Oregon game because they were in a prevent D.

JAGA97

9/23/22 4:23pm

This is correct

I'mBatman

9/23/22 4:31pm

“Underutilization of TEs” because we have had the best WR groups ever the last

LaVellIfIKnow

9/23/22 4:26pm

Yeah, but not in the last 2 games - they should've been a focal point

braddahmike

9/23/22 4:29pm

there's a thing called "depth"

molodyets

9/23/22 4:33pm

Or rephrased - where as a pass catcher do you rank Holker and Rex:

molodyets

9/23/22 4:37pm

You still have not explained to me why we wouldn't take from the 33 wasted run plays and trade them for TE routes.

Bert609

9/23/22 4:39pm

You have to run sometimes lol, it opens up the passing game

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

9/23/22 4:47pm

1. I don't owe you any explanation. 2. You want a different mix of run and pass. That is different than just adjusting

molodyets

9/23/22 4:48pm

Behind Puka and Gunner - both Rex & Holker would be right there

braddahmike

9/23/22 4:48pm

The OL has been horrendous in the run game. That's the #1 issue on offense and it's not close.

molodyets

9/23/22 4:50pm

Or, the opposing defense identified where the focal point “should” be and double-teamed/bracketed said focal-point.

valcorger

9/23/22 4:57pm

it isn't a utilization issue.

crazY

9/23/22 4:26pm

Dennis set records for TE usage. NCAA records for yards.

Cougarclaw

9/23/22 4:27pm

No one here is complaining about the WR core. We ran what, 33 times for 2.8ypc. 8 or 9 of those wasted run plays

Bert609

9/23/22 4:36pm

He's a TE & is of course going to be biased, but I think he's on to something

braddahmike

9/23/22 4:27pm

Or maybe our backup wide receivers are just THAT good that we don’t have to completely rely on the Tight ends. Shows

Rat

9/23/22 4:30pm

Run less, throw to TEs more

2FarGone

9/23/22 4:33pm

I mean you have to run sometimes. Have to keep the defense honest.

Rat

9/23/22 5:14pm

Not the case

Plato

9/23/22 5:38pm

Must not be watching the same games i am

Rat

9/23/22 7:48pm

With those guys out the defense could concentrate on the TE’s more…..

Phreddy

9/24/22 12:23am

I really like Dennis Pitta, I hope they plan to have him on the show more often

Zoobieman

9/23/22 4:27pm

Was it the exact same take? I’m not sure;)

CougGolf

9/23/22 4:28pm

It was pretty darn close...

canndyman

9/23/22 4:32pm

Pitta is reading the mind of people now. Wow, what a great skillset.

Archaea

9/23/22 4:32pm

Emphasis on "a little bit."

shoganai

9/23/22 4:34pm

That's somewhat true, but we have really good tight ends...

canndyman

9/23/22 4:37pm

I guess using a team that leads the league in tight end usage will help make

JAGA97

9/23/22 4:42pm

Your last paragraph is the beginning and end of the issue.

shoganai

9/23/22 4:44pm

RE : gripes : BC every player on the team deserves the same touches? Does everyone have the same work ethic and talent?

greatbam

9/23/22 8:02pm

Criddler and his guest (Cam Jenson? wasn't paying attention) basically said the

NYC and Japan

9/23/22 4:51pm

I still think it boils down to Hall doesn't like passing to the middle. He's a

mudpupper

9/23/22 4:54pm

*Throws a touchdown pass down the middle of the field to a TE* Everyone: “He doesn’t see the middle of the field and

Rat

9/23/22 5:15pm

The one knock on Jaren in prior years was he wasn't great at seeing and

Rhubarb

9/23/22 5:04pm

Holker is a junior

lukeskywalker

9/23/22 5:11pm

We are on pace for 82 TE completions this year total. Wouldn't that be the most

LeGrandBleu

9/23/22 5:15pm

Even before Holker left we we wondered why TE's were not utilized more

BYUFootballRocks1

9/23/22 5:16pm

You’re badly mistaken. First, BYU has a long history of great tight ends. Pitta

gwalker

9/23/22 5:32pm

We need to follow Wake’s example and roll with the guys that want to be here and

gwalker

9/23/22 5:41pm

Itula Mili was the other tight end that played on the same team as Chad Lewis.

84 natlchamps

9/23/22 5:44pm

Exactly. We had weapons. And those guys didn’t complain about getting their

gwalker

9/23/22 5:46pm

Is there a public statement that Holker himself made about not getting enough touches?

greatbam

9/23/22 8:05pm

Fair enough. But enough second hand sources saying that’s why he’s transferring.

gwalker

9/23/22 8:33pm

Laie boys! Represent.

gopman

9/23/22 5:55pm

96 imo had the most "well rounded" offense. Very

gopman

9/23/22 5:46pm

And Mark Atuaia. Sark had so many to throw to....

gopman

9/23/22 5:48pm

We have weapons this year too. Especially when Puka and Romney come back. Those

gwalker

9/23/22 5:54pm

Well said. I just wish we had an "explosive" tailback like Jenkins this year.

gopman

9/23/22 5:58pm

Wow, I had forgotten a lot of that. Lots of weapons there. Make the defense

84 natlchamps

9/23/22 5:57pm

I believe all ten of those guys caught at least

gopman

9/23/22 6:02pm

No one is saying he should have gotten fewer touches.

ProvoSpain

9/23/22 5:52pm

If he was an actual blocking threat he’d be open more.

gwalker

9/23/22 5:55pm

I've been yelling during the games to use the tight ends more. We have NFL cali

CT98

9/23/22 6:06pm

Everyone I know who is interested in BYU football said the exact same thing

Bullrider

9/23/22 6:09pm

The guys on the team are better evaluators of the team

BYU '80

9/23/22 6:13pm

Yeah bc CB “experts” know so much better.

greatbam

9/23/22 8:08pm

Read what I said. His team know better

BYU '80

9/23/22 8:31pm

So, a tight end is saying that the tight ends are underutilized? You don't say.

Mitty

9/23/22 6:28pm

Sounds like a biased opinion

Rat

9/23/22 7:48pm

Couldn’t be that the coaches might’ve messed up at all. Plenty of CBers have already assured me it’s all on Holker. /s

greatbam

9/23/22 7:18pm

i understand he was a co-captain and that he is bailing on his team, but what i

ColonelMustard

9/23/22 7:46pm

RE: i understand he was a co-captain and that he is bailing on his team, but

royalbluemenace

9/24/22 1:29am

Isn’t Built paying for everyone not on scholarship anyway?

kos

9/24/22 10:59am

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