Link to report cited the debate is over point 4

Mar 7, 2024
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The Big 12's Rushed Deal to Sign Colorado

Four revealing provisions in the Big 12/Colorado membership agreement

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Reports that Utah negotiated a way to leave the big 12 easily

1984coug

Mar 7, 8:42am

I'm not buying it. As much as I love my school we don't have leverage to get some special deal.

Tokolosh

Mar 7, 8:44am

It's very possible that Utah/AZ/ASU were a package deal, and they had considerable leverage if Yormark wanted

slappy

Mar 7, 9:12am

The pac 12 was dead without all 4 coming. Just AZ and CO would have killed it

ColonelMustard

Mar 7, 12:26pm

Which is weird because Utah and ASU wouldn't save the ACC

CameronG

Mar 7, 1:36pm

We also didn't need them to help the Big 12

WJCougar

Mar 7, 1:44pm

Yep, the Big 12 could've humbled them and made them take a partial share for

CameronG

Mar 7, 1:47pm

Not likely

slatecoug

Mar 7, 1:10pm

What leverage? They had no where to go?

Bobmarleyjr

Mar 7, 1:27pm

Utah was threatening to stay with OR. St. and Wazzu

slatecoug

Mar 7, 1:35pm

Threatening to join the MWC isn't exactly scary.

Les IsMore

Mar 7, 5:44pm

Are you kidding? Utah's addition alone would lift the MWC to Power Conf. status.

slatecoug

Mar 8, 3:26pm

It’s probably a standard thing now-a-days. BYU had an out negotiated with WCC…

icecougar

Mar 7, 11:58am

that was specifically tagged to football joining a P5 wasn't it?

Powerbait DPM

Mar 7, 2:08pm

All conferences have an exit fee but non FBS conference don't

Bobmarleyjr

Mar 7, 3:35pm

A lot of the non-FBS conferences ban departing schools from being conference

CameronG

Mar 7, 3:55pm

Tom is probably the one that suggested it.

Longseason

Mar 7, 8:46am

KSL has taken a liking to the utes, so why not BYU's AD?

BlueFever

Mar 7, 8:54am

I mean, if they want to leave, I didn't want them here, anyway

fattycoug

Mar 7, 9:05am

I didn’t and still don’t want them in ANY P4 conference. Let them die.

TeeKaa

Mar 7, 9:44am

They didn't want to go to the Big 12. Neither did ASU

TNT

Mar 7, 12:37pm

Should've let them die on the vine or go to the ACC where they'd make half the

CameronG

Mar 7, 1:39pm

I could see this happening, Tom has always been a Utah fan and praised them at

CameronG

Mar 7, 1:37pm

What reports? Who is saying this? Are they reliable sources of information?

BYUMizzou

Mar 7, 8:47am

Some guy got their hands on Utah's and Colorado's agreements and compared the 2

The Toolman

Mar 7, 8:48am

Where

fattycoug

Mar 7, 9:06am

Link to report cited the debate is over point 4

The Toolman

Mar 7, 9:12am

Pretty benign difference and doesn't really amount to an out clause. Good find though.

Tokolosh

Mar 7, 9:26am

Sure, seems more of a gaffe on Colorado than a plus for Utah but mild reguardles

The Toolman

Mar 7, 9:31am

The difference doesn't amount to anything. I read the link and the bylaws

BYUMizzou

Mar 7, 9:40am

Wouldn’t the 99 year clause have more to do with an exit fee then?

OKchief

Mar 7, 10:44am

OU and TX paid an exit fee because they negotiated an exit one year before the

BYUMizzou

Mar 7, 2:15pm

This. Lots of legal agreements are like this, where terms or language are

BlooCoug

Mar 7, 1:19pm

Interesting documents, but I'd recommend caution on accepting the author's interpretations.

Wadds

Mar 7, 12:07pm

Well now we can see why Utah needed

First-n-10

Mar 7, 12:13pm

Stop believing everything you read on Ute comments. They also run sub 4 40s.

Mabuhay Coug

Mar 7, 10:52am

Maybe the Oline

DiamondMo

Mar 7, 11:14am

No, no. The sub 4s 40s thing is absolute truth. Even our linemen.

Tokolosh

Mar 7, 11:23am

Just not your WR’s

icecougar

Mar 7, 11:59am

Nope, Vele only ran a 4.47. Slow as molasses.

displacedute

Mar 7, 2:29pm

Report from those 3 Utes in the basement? No way did they have any leverage.

rivercitycoug

Mar 7, 8:47am

Give me a break.

Idacoug

Mar 7, 8:48am

Why, they want to go back to the MWC?

Count Cougar

Mar 7, 8:50am

Utah really thinks they’re eventually going to get in the big 10.

RdF3

Mar 7, 8:52am

Big 10 commissioner reading that contract...

WJCougar

Mar 7, 8:52am

signed Utah Pig Bus

BYU Grounds

Mar 7, 8:52am

What this punctures is CB life raft narrative. If Utah was able to get GOR

CallSign

Mar 7, 8:55am

all of the PAC XII refugees were given that status bc they were already P5 err 4 or 5 ...

BYU Grounds

Mar 7, 8:58am

No, it's because you were already P5 and the TV money was increased pro-rata and was probably necessary to

mulletino

Mar 7, 9:02am

GOR exemption, if report is accurate. Eyes on the ball Mulletino.

CallSign

Mar 7, 9:04am

I replied to your post which mentioned a full share from day 1. Eyes on the ball CallSign.

mulletino

Mar 7, 9:07am

Cognitive dissonance is a bear ain’t it?

CallSign

Mar 7, 9:15am

Explain, please, how in your mind I would have cognitive dissonance. Or just keep moving the goalposts.

mulletino

Mar 7, 9:17am

So are commas #uteeducation

Burton162

Mar 7, 5:39pm

It’s not a grant of right exemption. It’s an exemption from the 99 years thing

ColonelMustard

Mar 7, 12:33pm

RE: What this punctures is CB life raft narrative. If Utah was able to get GOR

Longseason

Mar 7, 9:03am

Here’s the article, don’t know validity of writer or sources.

CallSign

Mar 7, 9:20am

CB has argued all along that Yormark & B12 wanted UU *way* more than Y fans did.

cougarmeister

Mar 7, 9:34am

Lateral move for Utes means they stay relatively equal. Major step up for AAC

NYC and Japan

Mar 7, 9:47am

No. Actually it doesn't.

BYUMizzou

Mar 7, 9:50am

Except they weren’t. Read the contract. Let the mental gymnastics begin

ColonelMustard

Mar 7, 12:31pm

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they ASKED for this.

Tricky

Mar 7, 8:56am

Lol, no way.

Peter Venkman

Mar 7, 9:00am

"Reports" with no substantiation...nice

CLCougar

Mar 7, 9:04am

Here's the source. Claims to have gotten the details through FOIA requests

slappy

Mar 7, 9:14am

<< Deleted >>

mulletino

Mar 7, 9:16am

RE: Again, prove it. If it was learned via FOIA, show the source documents.

slappy

Mar 7, 9:17am

did you click the link? both agreements in full can be read there

The Toolman

Mar 7, 9:18am

haha...got it. Reading.

mulletino

Mar 7, 9:22am

Thx

CLCougar

Mar 7, 9:22am

It's a distinction without any actual difference. Utah is still bound by the GOR

BYUMizzou

Mar 7, 9:53am

Well, it's been settled then. All the Ute homers on here can go touch grass.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Mar 7, 12:56pm

*Any* decent lawyer would push for this flexibility. If a new national super

Cosmos-beard-card

Mar 7, 9:29am

Question: Was the 99 year clause any type of barrier to Texas or Oklahoma?

BYUMizzou

Mar 7, 9:55am

Not only Texas and Oklahoma, it wasn't a barrier for CU, NU, Mizzou or A&M

CameronG

Mar 7, 3:53pm

I assumed the clause was to avoid a buyout. Did these teams leave w/o paying?

Cosmos-beard-card

Mar 12, 12:07am

They still had to pay to leave, the number wasn't as high as the numbers we see

CameronG

Mar 12, 9:23am

To be clear: clause or no clause, UU def thinks they are better than everyone

Cosmos-beard-card

Mar 14, 12:27pm

Sorry Utes, it was a fun idea though.

mulletino

Mar 7, 9:33am

one way to find out: GRAMMA request the contract.

bob falfa

Mar 7, 10:14am

Gramma barely knows how to use the remote control

machete

Mar 7, 11:17am

I have a hard time seeing anyone from west being added to B10/SEC

Dr T-bone

Mar 7, 11:22am

I smell a lot of fear in this thread

Medute

Mar 7, 12:31pm

It only matters because Utah fans use reports like these to show their programs

ColonelMustard

Mar 7, 12:39pm

It would be very bad for BYU football/basketball if Utah were to go to the B1G

TNT

Mar 7, 12:39pm

Why would it be bad for BYU Basketball?

slatecoug

Mar 7, 1:24pm

I don’t agree with Bill’s interpretation.

Bill Restivu

Mar 7, 12:43pm

You are smelling something else, good time to leave CB & find out what it is lol

Atmospheric_Cougar

Mar 7, 1:01pm

Fear of what exactly?

slatecoug

Mar 7, 1:23pm

This is why I didn’t get why people rooted for PAC to implode

Bobmarleyjr

Mar 7, 1:25pm

Pac12 would have sniped Big12 teams, and BYU would've been left out again

machete

Mar 7, 3:06pm

Huh? Are you sure you're in the right universe? PAC couldn't get a contract

Bobmarleyjr

Mar 7, 3:36pm

I'm glad Tom doesn't let the mantra "stick it to Utah!" govern his votes on

ocmyhome

Mar 7, 3:49pm

<< Deleted >>

lawking

Mar 7, 4:08pm

Yes, the B1G will be calling in the next several weeks. I know it.

Rocketman

Mar 7, 5:20pm

At this point, I would be sooooo happy for Utah to be out of the Big XII

Burton162

Mar 7, 5:43pm

We'll never learn.

Big McLargeHuge

Mar 7, 11:21pm

Nope. They weren’t wanted that badly to have special concessions despite the salt lake county narrative.

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