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Jul 30, 2014
9:13:02pm

COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

The more viewers the more you are part of the discussion locally, regionally

and NATIONALLY. When you are seen you are noticed. Fans, pundits, reporters, occasional fans can see the Cougars perform . . . good or bad!! These folks talk, write and post. The Cougars are and will be as good as the fans, the players, and the coaches allow them to be. National exposure . . . that's why we went independent. Nationally we are noticed. As Al Davis said "just win Baby! Win!" Enough said!!

You have your views (as always) and I have mine. I think TV ratings are one indicator of how much people want to see you. The other is the fact that the Cougars are a brand that brings fans to away games and consistently are those who buy tickets to other venues. They get excellent support Nationally from their fans. I am but one of them.

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COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

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Author

Time

BYU will start losing fan interest this year.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 6:18pm

Good to know. Keep us updated.

Runs With Scissors

7/30/14 6:19pm

Chicken Little and UoU fans predicted this when UoU got the PAC 10.2 invite

Coogar2

7/31/14 11:53am

I would like to lose 10% of our fan base.

charles

7/30/14 6:21pm

That is a ton of cash but I'm afraid you're going to get your wish.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 6:22pm

sooner the better

charles

7/30/14 6:24pm

For BYU, TV is a higher priority than $, so BYU is OK w/ discounting to fill LES

7/30/14 7:11pm

As long as I can choose the 10%, Id be ok with it, too

SuperTank

7/30/14 6:54pm

And then they could install movie theatre seats! Can't wait.

Malathion

7/30/14 7:49pm

Hopefully we can ditch independence, yes, but not for a lame conference.

LiveCoug

7/30/14 6:23pm

LOL We're not joining any G5 league until 2019--unless we can keep our ESPN deal

7/30/14 6:26pm

And if we join a lame league in 2019, that is a very very bad sign.

LiveCoug

7/30/14 6:30pm

Only join a P5 or equivalent conference. No MWC please!

Archaea

7/30/14 6:40pm

Independence got me to my first game in person in years

gustav88

7/30/14 6:33pm

the valid part of this argument is the lack of fun

Archaea

7/30/14 6:39pm

Which is no different than if we were in the Big12.

7/30/14 7:40pm

Not in the SEC.

Archaea

7/30/14 7:42pm

In most years even a team from the SEC would need to be undefeated.

7/30/14 7:54pm

$50 says any one loss SEC champion is in the playoff 10 out of 10 years.

unctoothman

7/30/14 8:44pm

That is probably true

7/31/14 12:31am

I disagree

ManicBlue

7/31/14 2:16am

As long as we remain a cheap first date, we will always get good attendance.

Josef K

7/30/14 6:36pm

And keep everyone singing "Sweet Caroline"

LV Mike

7/30/14 6:37pm

Maybe we should have Super Diamond come out and lead us.

Josef K

7/30/14 6:40pm

It will lose the well of excitement, to be certain.

Archaea

7/30/14 6:36pm

your shtick is old

binghammer

7/30/14 6:48pm

Ignore me.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 6:49pm

more fun to laugh at you

binghammer

7/30/14 6:56pm

Well is it getting old or is it funny?

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 6:59pm

the fact that you are such a broken record definitely makes for some amusement

binghammer

7/30/14 7:02pm

So it's not getting old then?

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:04pm

It's definitely old, I never said otherwise

binghammer

7/30/14 7:09pm

So it's an English duel huh?

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:10pm

Whatever takes the spotlight off you after you say something ignorant

binghammer

7/30/14 7:12pm

Well at least you're optimistic about your 2nd grade education.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:14pm

You corrected it and are now passing with a 75%

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:12pm

and your original post is still just as ignorant as it was originally

binghammer

7/30/14 7:14pm

I guess we'll see.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:16pm

Let me know when you change it

binghammer

7/30/14 7:19pm

If we lose the Texas game, come back at the end of the season with attendance #s

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:21pm

RE: If we lose the Texas game, come back at the end of the season with

Archaea

7/30/14 7:23pm

No matter how bad my English may be, it will never match your ignorance

binghammer

7/30/14 7:25pm

Again:

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:26pm

We've been listening to your rants for 5 years now, I think your body

binghammer

7/30/14 7:30pm

You showed him with your overwhelming onslaught of analysis and wit.

Archaea

7/30/14 7:33pm

Doesn't take much with him, or you actually

binghammer

7/30/14 7:33pm

You might disagree with him, but

Archaea

7/30/14 7:37pm

I've attempted to debate it out with facts

binghammer

7/30/14 7:41pm

Here are the conclusions, as supported by past years.

Archaea

7/30/14 7:44pm

He said "lose interest"

binghammer

7/30/14 7:49pm

Fans will lose interest.

Archaea

7/30/14 7:50pm

sure, him and 4 others with his same problem will throw themselves

binghammer

7/30/14 7:55pm

I know grammar and synatax don't matter to you, but they

Archaea

7/30/14 8:01pm

Ironic that you start in on me about attacking him

binghammer

7/30/14 8:09pm

Pointing out poor writing is NOT an ad hominem attack.

Archaea

7/31/14 8:51am

say what you want

binghammer

7/31/14 10:39am

"weak minds" is an insult by the way. Are you capable of engaging without

Archaea

7/31/14 3:04pm

Just playing on your level bud

binghammer

7/31/14 3:24pm

You haven't identified a single insult by me. You must be confusing my posts

Archaea

7/31/14 4:15pm

It's cool, I'm not mad at you

binghammer

7/31/14 4:37pm

Any examples where I have been proven wrong?

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:42pm

You need to wake up, son. BYU football is in a mangled spot. The future is not

8/6/14 3:08pm

I say, I say...

Eddie

8/7/14 1:25pm

hold on while I grab you a box of tissues

binghammer

8/10/14 7:46pm

Holy crap. Your vs. You're. Is it really that difficult?

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

7/30/14 7:02pm

No, he's right, I am shtick is getting a bit old.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:05pm

Can we stop pretending like differentiating you're versus your is a miracle?

QuinneyCoug

7/30/14 7:26pm

You're correct, but it is irritating to see so much bad syntax

Archaea

7/30/14 7:32pm

Did they teach you reading comprehension back when you were in school?

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

7/30/14 7:45pm

This is another example of the sort of annoying behavior we see on the internet.

QuinneyCoug

7/30/14 7:49pm

Hey, I happen to believe that the ability to interpret meaning from a passage...

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

7/30/14 8:15pm

You win. I assemble furniture at IKEA.

QuinneyCoug

7/30/14 8:20pm

You are just as civil mocking him

crazY

7/30/14 8:20pm

I don't even know where to begin with this...

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

7/30/14 8:24pm

Not as much as a bad argument does though

binghammer

7/30/14 7:59pm

at least you're not disagreeing with me...

Hotty-Toddy-Reb

7/30/14 8:19pm

I know the value of a good editor

binghammer

7/30/14 8:30pm

Good job!!! 100% LOL!!!

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:24pm

Coming from you this makes ME laugh. Between you and TexasCoug, I'm sure you're

byutx

7/30/14 10:10pm

I dont take issue with legitimate complaints and concerns, of which

binghammer

7/30/14 10:24pm

True, but you do take issue with all criticism because to you none is legit

byutx

7/31/14 7:45am

I do take issue with most criticism because 90% of it is garbage

binghammer

7/31/14 10:41am

So why do you defend all criticism?

byutx

8/1/14 9:14am

link?

binghammer

8/10/14 7:45pm

Another 1-2 start will be tough to swallow...

argus

7/30/14 6:53pm

Lots of teams lose fan interest when they lose games.

sportsgeek82

7/30/14 7:01pm

exactly, not sure Walter thinks most of his posts through

coug10278

7/30/14 7:05pm

I would contend every team loses some fan interest unless an undefeated season

coug10278

7/30/14 7:12pm

Most teams would gain fan interest back if they were to win 4 in a row

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:09pm

so?

crazY

7/30/14 7:45pm

I guess that depends on who you ask.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:51pm

What is your point, then?

crazY

7/30/14 7:55pm

Link:

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:57pm

fair enough

crazY

7/30/14 8:01pm

I agree 100%

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 8:05pm

That's true

crazY

7/30/14 8:23pm

Everyone, except player parents, is a fair-weather fan to some degree.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 8:27pm

I'm not sure that I would...

crazY

7/30/14 8:33pm

I was right there with you.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 8:41pm

I see where you're coming from

crazY

7/30/14 10:01pm

How would that be different if we were in the MWC?

7/30/14 7:28pm

I don't think it would.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 7:30pm

P5 or bust.

Archaea

7/30/14 7:33pm

Not this FAN. Luv the COUGARS. Independance = ESPN & BYUtv = ROCK LES

COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

7/30/14 7:32pm

Don't you want BYU to be part of the national discussion?

Archaea

7/30/14 7:35pm

What?? Lest I lol, surely you jest.

COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

7/30/14 7:42pm

What does being on tv have to do with being part of the national discussion?

Archaea

7/30/14 7:45pm

The more viewers the more you are part of the discussion locally, regionally

COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

7/30/14 9:13pm

BYU is a regional brand with potential for becoming quasi-national

Archaea

7/31/14 8:54am

Negatory. Opinion is not fact . . .

COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

8/12/14 7:25pm

RE: BYU is a regional brand with potential for becoming quasi-national

COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

8/12/14 8:31pm

either way it doesn't affect my fandom

charles

7/30/14 7:49pm

why is this captain obvious post generating so much chatter?

coug10278

7/30/14 7:52pm

because it is just so pathetically whiny

charles

7/30/14 7:55pm

ding, ding, ding

coug10278

7/30/14 8:24pm

Not a "captain obvious" post. We can fill LES w/ cheaper tix. AAC? Not until '19

7/30/14 8:00pm

fans lose interest after losing = MIND BLOWN!!

coug10278

7/30/14 8:21pm

I hate to admit it but I won't be buying my ROC pass until after the Texas game.

danegg7

7/30/14 9:01pm

Sure thing. Yeah, let's go do something really stupid and backwards like

AntiSNOT

7/30/14 9:27pm

MWC is crap.

Walter Bellhaven

7/30/14 9:39pm

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . . .

lightmann

7/30/14 10:24pm

BYU has been losing fan interest for years. It has been all down hill since 2009

7/30/14 10:58pm

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Abe Froman

7/30/14 11:59pm

Doubt it. Lots of fans will be upset about the losses and some will pretend the

Real Men Wear Blue

7/31/14 8:14am

I like football. I'm a BYU fan.

Eddie

7/31/14 9:25am

However, imagine two scenarios

Archaea

7/31/14 9:32am

In your scenario, I'm going to watch both games.

Eddie

7/31/14 9:42am

12 and 9?

crazY

7/31/14 1:12pm

So stupid... How is Indy not better then the Mountain West?

PoopTown LLC

7/31/14 9:35am

Is Walter arguing in favor of MWC? I don't read it that way.

Archaea

7/31/14 9:36am

We were in the MWC and now Indy because no P5 wants us... so

PoopTown LLC

7/31/14 9:47am

Indy > MWC

Walter Bellhaven

7/31/14 9:50am

?

PoopTown LLC

7/31/14 9:56am

Where does the AAC fit in this diagram? Indy>AAC>MWC?

Eddie

7/31/14 9:57am

AAC>Indy>MWC

Walter Bellhaven

7/31/14 10:02am

"I don't understand your logic" (Said with a Chris Farley accent)

PoopTown LLC

7/31/14 10:18am

The loss has already begun. I think I tuned in to 3 games last year, and I have

7/31/14 11:32am

So...watching the conference race would've kept you interested?

Eddie

7/31/14 3:56pm

what race?

crazY

7/31/14 6:54pm

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