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Sep 19, 2014
12:00:37am

cougorute

All I am doing is relaying an eyewitness account of Jim McMahon using "chewing tobacco" on multiple occasions.

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cougorute

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Did anyone hear what Dan Patrick said this morning about Jim Mcmahon? I just

kotacoug

9/18/14 10:59am

Saying BYU turned a blind eye on his rule breaking until his career was over.

joehayes

9/18/14 11:07am

Except that is sorta what happened.

lawboy

9/18/14 11:13am

That is exactly what happened. I'm not disputing that. I don't even have a

joehayes

9/18/14 11:20am

I have a problem with it.

Boxey

9/18/14 12:48pm

It is hypocritical, but I'd rather have Jim Mcmahon than not have him.

joehayes

9/18/14 12:53pm

What really happened

Y05

9/18/14 1:43pm

What a great book for those who missed the Glory Years.

Bert609

9/18/14 3:32pm

McMahon's my all-time favorite Cougar and the sole reason

Boxey

9/18/14 2:04pm

They didn't turn a blind eye just for him, they did for everyone...

icecougar

9/18/14 6:47pm

I didn't criticize turning a blind eye.

Boxey

9/18/14 7:00pm

I dont mind being strict with the honor code

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 9:34pm

It is what happened and it was a mistake by BYU

pappabear246

9/18/14 9:39pm

This. And it came up in reference to schools allowing players that break rules

Grit for Brains

9/18/14 11:20am

Lavell has commented about this in an interview.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 1:12pm

I don't think he was kicked out. I also don't believe he lived the honor code ..

joehayes

9/18/14 1:18pm

So you were there then? Having interviewed him back then,

LEDSFW

9/18/14 1:32pm

Syracuse - Larry Zonka? More like Jim Brown.

GSwarriorcoug

9/18/14 4:24pm

Yep. Jim Brown, then Ernie Davis, then Czonka and Floyd Little.

Coug Eastwood

9/18/14 4:29pm

But if you had to choose one, it is Brown. No brainer. Although The Express

GSwarriorcoug

9/18/14 5:01pm

Yes, completely agree.

Coug Eastwood

9/19/14 3:04am

Upon St. Crispin's Day!

Polecat

9/18/14 6:32pm

Jimmy, like a lot of young punks was also a talker

Downtown

9/18/14 1:33pm

I remember playing at the old Timpanogos golf course back in the early 80's

RC Vikings

9/18/14 1:57pm

Get real. You can't even remember the course you played on last month,

bbd24

9/18/14 2:17pm

They had a cooler anyway.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 3:08pm

You must be a little naive, people sneak beer onto courses all the time

RC Vikings

9/18/14 3:22pm

Ok.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 3:43pm

Jim's own biography states that he drank at golf courses while at BYU

GSwarriorcoug

9/18/14 5:12pm

My brother and friends did it all the time

Robert Baratheon

9/18/14 10:00pm

Jimmy Mac is your brother?

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 10:31pm

McMahon's last game was in December of 1981.

Brigham

9/18/14 8:15pm

My first summer in Provo was 1981, maybe that's why he didn't care if anybody

RC Vikings

9/18/14 8:44pm

I could buy this.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 9:35pm

My dad said he was like the Manziel of the day, back in the day.

pt crasher

9/18/14 2:52pm

Here's the transcript from his 2008 interview with Dan Patrick

ChunkyBasty

9/18/14 2:13pm

he also said in that interview

Y05

9/18/14 2:50pm

I'm not saying he regrets going to BYU. I'm just responding to the "rumor" claim

ChunkyBasty

9/18/14 3:12pm

McMahon was an amazing QB.........PERIOD!

gstodd

9/18/14 3:12pm

TRUE!!!!............Was someone saying otherwise?

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 3:17pm

I'm sorry, but this is absolutely incorrect

cougorute

9/18/14 8:00pm

It seems Lavell disagrees with you

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 9:22pm

And you can certainly believe what you would like

cougorute

9/19/14 12:00am

He may have.

PolarisPrime

9/19/14 12:52am

Mcmahon said as much when he was on DP a few years back

ChunkyBasty

9/18/14 2:06pm

He was at least called into the HC office.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 3:20pm

See my post above with the quote from the interview. Definitely not speculation

ChunkyBasty

9/18/14 3:23pm

Doesn't jive with Lee Benson's book as linked above.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 3:45pm

Yeah, I wouldn't trust the guy who was there and lived through it.

ChunkyBasty

9/18/14 3:55pm

You mean like Lee Benson - the BYU athletic director?

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 4:14pm

Two differing first hand accounts. Truth is obviously somewhere in the middle.

ChunkyBasty

9/18/14 4:33pm

I have listenend to it before.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 4:38pm

I thought Lee Benson was a reporter from the DN

mindzeYe

9/18/14 4:47pm

Glen Tuckett was the athletic director. Lee Benson was just a journalist.

eddog

9/18/14 4:52pm

Yes indeed. My bad.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 5:12pm

I think we really need Lavell's take on McMahon to settle these disputes

mindzeYe

9/18/14 4:50pm

Regardless of anything, he deserves to be in the BYU HOF and it's long overdue

mindzeYe

9/18/14 4:51pm

Yes he does.

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 5:12pm

How about this?

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 5:15pm

great article and it proves from LE's POV that much about Mac was blown out of

mindzeYe

9/19/14 4:27am

Here are quotes from JM, Steve Young and Lavell about it.

GSwarriorcoug

9/18/14 5:18pm

they didn't do it just for him, that was the culture back then...

icecougar

9/18/14 6:34pm

As I said above - I think it was more common throught the entire church

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 9:37pm

Time to retire the #9 jersey with McMahons name on the back of it.

SoValleyCOUG

9/18/14 1:56pm

Bronco would have dropped the hammer on Jimmie Mac!

digitalayon

9/18/14 2:17pm

Be careful about asking questions like this....

6th-Kamikaze-mission

9/18/14 2:19pm

i wonder what made J.M. even come to BYU in the first place...

BRONCOUGAR

9/18/14 2:42pm

his mom

Y05

9/18/14 2:53pm

And Lavell

PolarisPrime

9/18/14 3:06pm

Because BYU tossed the ball 77%...None at that time did anything like it.

digitalayon

9/18/14 4:34pm

One of the main reasons he decided to go back and finish was his Dad...

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