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Nov 1, 2014
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kingpin2k

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kingpin2k

Bio page: kingpin2k
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Money spent on City Creek, Cattle Ranches in FL, Hi-rise in Philly or BYU Fball

Iman23

10/31/14 12:17pm

I don't think I would put BYU Football in the same category as any of those

workindev

10/31/14 12:18pm

Why not? PR is PR.

kingpin2k

11/1/14 10:00am

3 of those are appreciating investments

BlueFrog

10/31/14 12:20pm

BYU Athletics is a high risk high reward investment. gotta have a little of that

CougarinOZ

10/31/14 12:22pm

Check: high risk, low financial reward...

CATXCoug

10/31/14 6:02pm

No way was "Citycreek is 5th" the motto for building that place.

Zach Morris

10/31/14 12:22pm

AND they probably didn't rely on JUST LDS advisors to develop it...

kotacoug

10/31/14 1:02pm

First of all, three of those were paid from the "for profit" arm of the Church

Solomon Levi

10/31/14 12:27pm

This is the common argument. But where is the common denominator for all of the

Zach Morris

10/31/14 12:32pm

False. Many of the Church's assets came from donations other than Tithing.

BYU-Ite

10/31/14 12:53pm

All originated as chariable contributions, though. Whether those contributions

BearsandBulls

10/31/14 1:38pm

Not true.

BYU-Ite

10/31/14 1:56pm

yes, but one of the reasons BYU has athletics is to be a missionary tool

Ulysses14

10/31/14 2:27pm

I'm just not buying the "BYU football is a missionary tool" line.

BearsandBulls

10/31/14 2:35pm

do you have numbers to back that up, I'm interested to see how it stacks up

kotacoug

10/31/14 3:08pm

No idea. But at least it's a talking point w/ non-members here in TX. I don't

Ulysses14

10/31/14 4:35pm

If that's the case there should be no problem putting a little

kotacoug

10/31/14 2:35pm

All donations to the church are not "tithing". There absolutely are donations

ByuMba90

10/31/14 12:55pm

same difference, tithing/donations.... the point is that money was given

kotacoug

10/31/14 12:58pm

If it's the "same difference" why is tithing not federally-taxed and City Creek,

ByuMba90

10/31/14 1:13pm

Is a 'donation' on the donation slip taxed differently than 'tithing'

kotacoug

10/31/14 1:42pm

Actually, all donations on the donation slip are not tax deductible

BYU-Ite

10/31/14 2:02pm

Which are not tax deductible? Which funds does the church have to pay taxes on

kotacoug

10/31/14 2:22pm

If you use the "Other" line on the donation slip

BYU-Ite

10/31/14 2:46pm

well my point still stands, BYUMBA90 doesn't know what he is talking about.

kotacoug

10/31/14 3:05pm

I don't attach strings to my donations. Every last penny I donate whether

kotacoug

10/31/14 2:39pm

Really? You've never paid to have a flag put on your lawn?

BYU-Ite

10/31/14 2:46pm

what are you talking about? I'm talking about money donated to the

kotacoug

10/31/14 2:57pm

We are talking about the same thing

BYU-Ite

10/31/14 3:01pm

I think we've beat this thing to death

kotacoug

10/31/14 3:10pm

The same way Texas, ND, Ohio St, etc. recoups its investment

Ulysses14

10/31/14 2:29pm

Where's your proof?

kingpin2k

11/1/14 10:00am

Pull a title report

Solomon Levi

11/1/14 11:53am

I think they're at a pretty good place w/ regards to athletics ROI

Linescratcher

10/31/14 12:33pm

Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, and preach the Word.

Frenemy59

10/31/14 12:41pm

Totally agree. BUT if we can build malls we can improve BYU football right?

Zach Morris

10/31/14 12:43pm

Absolutely.

Frenemy59

10/31/14 12:52pm

Just be clear that in General Confernence, when a financial report is given....

ByuMba90

10/31/14 1:02pm

Not disagreeing...

Frenemy59

10/31/14 1:29pm

I think your last conversation should go like this . . .

BYU-Ite

10/31/14 2:06pm

what evidence do you have they're self sustaining?

laredog

10/31/14 3:12pm

but do you have evidence of that?

Ulysses14

10/31/14 4:39pm

"BYU Athletics is self-sustaining and receives no tithing or tax dollars to

HarlemCoug

10/31/14 10:12pm

That's not actually true,

califcougar

10/31/14 3:59pm

RE: Just be clear that in General Confernence, when a financial report is

Andyd

11/1/14 9:56am

Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, preach the word. . . .

squidmark

10/31/14 3:16pm

Just a side note

WhiteMud

11/1/14 7:03am

Would a Ute fan agree to building a BYU-Africa?

HawkeyeCoug

11/1/14 3:30pm

I just want it to happen so the ALUFs have a mental implosion over it

lawboy

10/31/14 12:54pm

I'm doing EVERYTHING I CAN TO RESIST THE TEMPTATION.

Frenemy59

10/31/14 12:57pm

but every other program at BYU needs to be propped up by tithes...

kotacoug

10/31/14 1:01pm

When you get down to brass tacks...

Frenemy59

10/31/14 1:31pm

"What exactly would you do with more money?" Pay a P5 conference to take BYU???

rambo

10/31/14 2:22pm

I think bribery is looked down upon at the Y

Frenemy59

10/31/14 10:35pm

It is, but I'm not talking about a bribe - I'm talking about an open business

rambo

11/1/14 11:53am

It wouldn't surprise me if the Philly high rise was a stipulation given by the

bretonnia

11/1/14 8:18am

You'll know BYU football is really failing when...

panguitch

10/31/14 2:15pm

Very true. It's not a $$$ problem, it's an honor-code-limits-the-recruiti ng-pool

Ulysses14

10/31/14 2:38pm

The sad thing IMHO is that, notwithstanding the great, great PR that the Church

Rocketman

10/31/14 7:26pm

City creek bleeds millions every year.

SaltLakeCoug

10/31/14 7:43pm

Whatever it takes

Cougrrrs Roll

11/1/14 1:12am

Spending money on a new stadium isn't as good of as an investment as

conetah

11/1/14 7:40am

I don't remember the last time I heard that BYU football was a missionary tool

conetah

11/1/14 7:43am

Only people I hear that from are Ute fans

WhiteMud

11/1/14 9:18am

Or they could just ramp up efforts to build an athletic dept. endowment.

bretonnia

11/1/14 8:22am

Totally agreed - if you think money helps (like I do) then join with me and

HarlemCoug

11/1/14 8:38am

Would rather see them build a BYU-Africa

HawkeyeCoug

11/1/14 3:13pm

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