I'm as discontent as anyone with Bronco's rivalry record. But

Jul 7, 2015
8:42:40am

panguitch

I don't put much stock in the 9-1 vs 3-6 rivalry record comparison.

Because beating a nothing Utah program in the 70s and 80s was totally different than beating them since then. As Lavell himself can attest through the 90s.

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GRAPHIC: Comparing the first 10 years of Bronco and LaVell

waberson

7/6/15 10:26pm

Bronco fields a team of below-average athletes that consistently wins games

rdiddy801

7/6/15 10:46pm

Nice job on the graphic design.

Veracruz

7/6/15 11:16pm

The metric that counts

rmsenior

7/7/15 12:08am

It's just looking at the first 10 years for each of them. So '72-'82 for LaVell

cucciolo25

7/7/15 12:55am

Utah was not a good team back then. Easy win.

Cougarclaw

7/7/15 8:49am

Utah didn't become competitive until they hired Ron McBride.

BeardedSpock

7/7/15 9:11am

This comparison won't look even after 12 years. Lavell had BYU on a steep upward

ALUF 1990

7/7/15 3:28am

I could agree if Bronco had taken over directly from Lavell. But Crowton.

panguitch

7/7/15 8:32am

Bronco inherited excellent

Gentleman Stan

7/7/15 11:49am

Most of the defensive players from 2006-2009 were his recruits

Littlerich

7/7/15 12:02pm

Somewhat true. Most of the stars in '05, '06, and '07 weren't his recruits.

Gentleman Stan

7/7/15 12:04pm

Bronco had a better starting point thanks to Lavell's legacy. But

panguitch

7/7/15 12:19pm

It was three years of mismanagement, and major honor code issues.

Gentleman Stan

7/7/15 12:37pm

BYU's "steep upward trajectory" ended in 1985

BeardedSpock

7/7/15 9:08am

Twice, 1990 and 1996... there were also some tremendous wins on the national

BerkeleyCoug

7/7/15 10:19am

Ugh. 1990. Nationally relevant to the point of a 65-14 shellacking in the bowl..

BarraCouga

7/7/15 10:36am

We spent two-thirds of the season in the Top 5 and our QB won the Heisman.

BerkeleyCoug

7/7/15 11:23am

What's the old saying...it's not where you start, it's where you finish?

BarraCouga

7/7/15 11:34am

It wasn't just the last two games of 1990. The first three of 1991 were awful

BeardedSpock

7/7/15 1:07pm

Why, why, WHY did you post that?

BeardedSpock

7/7/15 12:57pm

How do you explain away 5 ranked finishes, a Heisman trophy, a Top 5 bowl

Gentleman Stan

7/7/15 11:51am

RE: How do you explain away 5 ranked finishes, a Heisman trophy, a Top 5 bowl

BeardedSpock

7/7/15 12:57pm

Cimsidering bm took nover a top 25 program amd lavell built one!

CarolinaCoug

7/7/15 4:02am

Gary Crowton did not leave a top 25 program.

Wingnut

7/7/15 5:18am

Bronco didn't take over a top 25 program

WhiteKnight

7/7/15 9:40am

Yes he did he didn't take o er a top 25 team

CarolinaCoug

7/8/15 6:34pm

Bronco has finished ranked in 5 of 10 years.

BarraCouga

7/7/15 4:40am

Great, now Bronco needs a Natl Championship & Heisman winner in next 10 years

zerome4sooners

7/7/15 6:58am

Critics? How about honest analysis? Lets start with your surface stats...

LEDSFW

7/7/15 7:23am

Let's add a little more honesty to your honest analysis.

Blue Cat

7/8/15 3:50pm

Thanks for those details. I love both, but think Bronco gets rough treatment...

eyes4byu

7/10/15 1:05pm

9-1 vs 3-6 says it all imo..

Heinz57

7/7/15 8:36am

I'm as discontent as anyone with Bronco's rivalry record. But

panguitch

7/7/15 8:42am

Lavell's record against the Utes during his first 19 seasons: 17-2

BeardedSpock

7/7/15 9:03am

Except Lavell had a hard time beating Utah State during his first 10 years.

BeardedSpock

7/7/15 9:00am

LaVell beat Utah and USU, so your point is what now?

Heinz57

7/7/15 2:19pm

You guys can't be this myopic

CasualFan

7/8/15 7:44am

LaVell still had a winning record against Utah, Bronco hasn't

Heinz57

7/8/15 12:17pm

Not in his last 9 games...

BarraCouga

7/8/15 12:34pm

You missed...

Heinz57

7/8/15 1:19pm

That's just lazy and contains no context.

BarraCouga

7/8/15 2:33pm

Watch out for "what ifs". Bronco is 4 miracle plays away from 0-9 against Utah

ALUF 1990

7/8/15 2:48pm

And he's also a play or two away from being 7-2.

BarraCouga

7/8/15 3:50pm

The point wasn't missed.

CasualFan

7/8/15 1:04pm

Even in all of LaVell seasons

Heinz57

7/8/15 1:21pm

Again...if you want to get as close as possible comparing apples to apples...

BarraCouga

7/8/15 2:37pm

Utter garbage

CasualFan

7/8/15 3:41pm

Record against Yewts really stands out

MajorZeus

7/7/15 8:47am

Not really. The Utes were New Mexico State in those years.

BarraCouga

7/7/15 9:11am

So you are satisfied with our recent performance against Utah? Pathetic.

MajorZeus

7/7/15 9:21am

Hmmm...not sure where you got that ludicrous assertion.

BarraCouga

7/7/15 9:31am

At the end of the day it is about wins and losses. Recruiting, invites, and

MajorZeus

7/7/15 10:43am

I don't obsess about Utah.

BarraCouga

7/7/15 11:06am

You sound like Bronco...just another game. It does matter for recruiting. Utah

MajorZeus

7/7/15 12:29pm

Again...to channel Inigo Montoya..."I dunno think I said what you said I said."

BarraCouga

7/7/15 1:05pm

So we agree...every game matters.

MajorZeus

7/7/15 1:13pm

ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...

BarraCouga

7/7/15 1:21pm

Lavell played SEVEN top-25 teams. bronco played 19 top 25 teams

Cougarclaw

7/7/15 8:52am

7 top 25 games versus 19 top 25 games, combined with similar w/l record means La

eyes4byu

7/7/15 11:03am

In other words, only 24 of Bronco's losses were to teams not in the top 25...

eyes4byu

7/7/15 11:06am

Lavell's top win was against #1 Miami, no?

WhiteKnight

7/7/15 9:37am

...first 10 years, duh, sorry

WhiteKnight

7/7/15 9:38am

RE: Go Figure!

Beetdiggercoug

7/7/15 9:58am

you have zero NC for Lavell. That's wrong

paulb

7/7/15 11:53am

ah, may have missed you were only picking certain years.....

paulb

7/7/15 11:54am

Yes, if by selective, he was comparing Bronco's entire coaching record to date..

gmj81

7/7/15 12:03pm

not sure if sarcastic or not.....

paulb

7/8/15 11:06pm

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