Fine him for what? If we allow extradiction based on retroactive laws then we

Jul 31, 2015
12:25:18pm

thecthdox

violate the entire concept of the rule of law. If he was properly licensed, hunting in a legal area, using legal methods, and there was no law on the books saying "Thou shalt not kill lions named Cecil," then extradition to a dictatorship is absurd.

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POLL: Should the lion-murdering dentist be extradited to Zimbabwe to face trial?

mobomanjoe

7/31/15 11:11am

Heck no. Countries run by dictators have no claim on anything.

SandYFan

7/31/15 11:13am

From what I read, the tag was legally issued, the hunt

PhilPete

7/31/15 11:17am

You and I must be reading different things. Did that come from the dentist's

CDV

7/31/15 11:20am

Everything I've read says that either the dentist is an idiot or he knew he was

byujacob

7/31/15 11:21am

If he paid $60k for a legal hunt, how is he supposed to know if it is illegal?

workindev

7/31/15 11:26am

Doesn't matter. He bears ultimate responsibility for his actions being legal or

UneducatedFan

7/31/15 11:32am

The tax preparer goes to jail. You are responsible for any penalties or tax

workindev

7/31/15 11:36am

I'm not talking about a preparer. I'm talking about someone giving you advice

UneducatedFan

7/31/15 11:44am

I'm more referring to this line from your link, which also in one form

UneducatedFan

7/31/15 11:50am

That doesn't seem analogous to this situation. The dentist didn't hire the

workindev

7/31/15 11:51am

Guides are there to lead the excursion

donnerstag

7/31/15 11:53am

Then your analogy may be more appropriate. Again having no knowledge

UneducatedFan

7/31/15 11:57am

Haha. Analogy fail

BYUCoug11

7/31/15 11:42am

I wasn't intending a tax preparer and that's my fault.

UneducatedFan

7/31/15 11:46am

The tag WAS legally issued, the hunt WAS legally set up

Wingnut

7/31/15 11:26am

It gets a little dicey in some of these areas

donnerstag

7/31/15 11:36am

Why?

mango

7/31/15 11:41am

Big cats are always "lured" in. Thats the way you hunt them.

PhilPete

7/31/15 12:07pm

Not illegal to bait animals in Zimbabwe.

thecthdox

7/31/15 12:13pm

This was also reported today on CNN. Plus a new fact, it is not illegal to

thecthdox

7/31/15 12:10pm

The real reason for extradition is he'll bring a throng of media with him

donnerstag

7/31/15 12:14pm

Fine him for what? If we allow extradiction based on retroactive laws then we

thecthdox

7/31/15 12:25pm

the attempted cover up says otherwise

mosterlow

7/31/15 11:28am

this ^^^

CDV

7/31/15 11:31am

I have seen much footage of the cat, pics and video. Not once did I see a

PhilPete

7/31/15 12:09pm

uh, the lion was baited out of the refuge with food by the guides ...

El Joffrey

7/31/15 11:37am

Which is why the guides are being prosecuted

workindev

7/31/15 11:40am

True but if he, the hunter, was aware of the illegallity as well (we don't know)

UneducatedFan

7/31/15 12:03pm

Agreed that he is accountable if he knew about it, but I don't think they need

workindev

7/31/15 12:37pm

I'm not up to date on the latest so you may be right.

UneducatedFan

7/31/15 1:13pm

I thought the prosecution resulted form the land owner, on whose land it was

PhilPete

7/31/15 12:20pm

Is that wrong? Illegal? Unethical?

mango

7/31/15 11:47am

when you are trying to move it from a reserve where you can't hunt....

El Joffrey

7/31/15 11:49am

See my response above...

mango

7/31/15 12:01pm

It was illegal to shoot the animal whether or not it was on the refuge.

El Joffrey

7/31/15 12:06pm

Link? First I've heard that.

mango

7/31/15 12:07pm

from what I read the fact that the lion had a gps collar meant it was not legal

El Joffrey

7/31/15 12:15pm

According to CNN today it is legal to shoot a collared animal in Zimbabwe.

thecthdox

7/31/15 12:26pm

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PhilPete

7/31/15 12:57pm

In other words, you fail to see why people are upset over something that isn't

SoCalCoug

7/31/15 11:40am

I see why people are upset about it. But I also wonder about the priorities of

workindev

7/31/15 12:04pm

I see "outrage" and "upset" as two entirely different responses. FYI

PhilPete

7/31/15 12:18pm

Even when discussing issues I am MOST passionate about, I NEVER make death

PhilPete

7/31/15 12:52pm

Not if he won't be treated humanely or fairly.

byujacob

7/31/15 11:21am

Like that matters in the court of public opinion

BlueBlitzkrieg

7/31/15 11:27am

Zimbabwe would be foolish to punish the dentist

donnerstag

7/31/15 11:28am

Agreed. Given that all of the outrage is here rather than there, they have

workindev

7/31/15 11:32am

I bet the African safari dollars far out number the trophy hunting dollars

RC Vikings

7/31/15 11:44am

The counter argument is that there are 2,000 lions in Zimbabwe

donnerstag

7/31/15 11:51am

And hunting is an important aspect of conservation and promoting species

workindev

7/31/15 11:57am

Maybe we should cut down all the Redwoods and send everybody a piece so they

RC Vikings

7/31/15 1:20pm

False comparison. A redwood cannot be replaced by the next generation nearly

thecthdox

7/31/15 2:09pm

Such a lame analogy. Did you make that up yourself?

mango

7/31/15 3:03pm

Not a serious comparison.

workindev

7/31/15 3:19pm

YES. Since 2000 the US and Zimbabwe have had a bilateral extradition treaty

CDV

7/31/15 11:29am

Does it matter that he didn't break any laws?

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