Right...

Feb 21, 2017
11:27:03am

monkeycowboy All-American

Right...

I'm sure 80% of teams would give up 114 to UVU, 91 to USC, 88 to San Diego, 76 to Santa Clara, 99 to Pepperdine (PEPPERDINE!) All of this without NBA minutes being played and without NBA talent as the opposition.

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For all of you in the "Fire Rose" camp

Broda

2/21/17 11:02am

Please don't confuse them with facts. It will hurt their fragile feelings.

PhilPete

2/21/17 11:07am

He has had a great ten years. Show me a coach who has done less with more in the

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:13am

I could name a dozen teams that do less with more. Look at LSU, Miss St, Tex A&M

Broda

2/21/17 11:27am

It could also be much better. Im willing to take the gamble rather than settle

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:31am

Lorenzo Romar at UW.

zagdontzig

2/21/17 12:02pm

When did one and done start?

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:15am

Wait, post season is all that matters, yet Rose has 2 more post-season wins in

Broda

2/21/17 11:29am

2 More Conference Tournament Championships - make it 5 to 5

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:33am

Also, 1986-1995 THERE WAS NO PLAY IN GAME.

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:37am

Of course the game is different. There is no perfect comparison. But the

Broda

2/21/17 11:54am

Helps playing in the WCC.

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:57am

And before it was the WAC, or MWC. Same teams just different names.

Broda

2/21/17 12:53pm

have not threatened to make the round of 32 since Jimmer

cwilke1

2/21/17 1:06pm

I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....

WJCougar

2/21/17 11:16am

RE: I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....

TucsonCatMan

2/21/17 1:24pm

RE: I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....

TucsonCatMan

2/21/17 1:25pm

What is he trajectory of BYU basketball? Direction of a program matters as much

unctoothman

2/21/17 11:16am

If you want to fire rose this season, you're crazy. But his seat should be warm.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:17am

I say we let him coach until we finish 5th in the WCC, average 5K fans in

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:20am

We're not bad on defense. It's a myth. In fact BYU is in the top 20% of teams.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:23am

Right...

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:27am

Sorry, it's just a fact. We have the #70 defense in the country.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:34am

And that's a fact, Jack. KenPom's one stat is the be-all, end-all of defensive..

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:53am

Until something better comes along, you're right, it is.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:59am

Better stat: 6. That's the # of WCC losses this year. Double what they should

unctoothman

2/21/17 2:56pm

Are you the coach? No? Then you should care.

Z-rex

2/21/17 5:06pm

Not this discussion again. There's 100 ways you can argue how good our defense..

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:28am

Adjusted defensive efficiency accounts for pace and most other factors.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:35am

That's just fantastic. So as long as we have a good defensive "efficiency" then

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:43am

Then don't understand how to play basketball. You can disagree with the

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:53am

If we were winning games we should win, then this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:56am

You're right about that, and kenpom calls it 'luck' we're one of the unluckiest

Z-rex

2/21/17 12:02pm

ppg is probably the best way to determine who won an actual game and how much

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:44am

It's actually not. The fact that you can't see that is enough evidence for me

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:49am

Compare 2007-2011 to 2012-2017.

fbguru

2/21/17 11:20am

The coach is the same, the only difference in that span is high school gyms.

Bert609

2/21/17 11:33am

Also missionary age. It's like he never recovered from that.

fbguru

2/21/17 11:41am

But the assistants are not the same, and in my opinion this is the crux of it

teancum

2/21/17 12:48pm

Please go and find the last 6 year span in BYU basketball history

OC Coug

2/21/17 11:22am

Whether you want to fire him or not, no one can deny a shake up is needed in

BYUheaven

2/21/17 11:24am

There's also the what, 6 bench points in the last 3 games

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:27am

Something like that.

BYUheaven

2/21/17 11:32am

I agree that a shakeup is needed, but firing rose would be a huge knee-jerk

Broda

2/21/17 11:34am

Regular season wins don't mean a ton though.

southernfriedcougar

2/21/17 11:37am

So what is the goal? I feel that many on here have unrealistic expectations.

Broda

2/21/17 11:46am

A conference championship, for starters.

southernfriedcougar

2/21/17 1:24pm

Btw, i don't think there's a "but" after those things you just said.

southernfriedcougar

2/21/17 1:28pm

To win the wvc but start with not losimg to uvu et al.

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 8:37pm

We are in the same boat

BYUheaven

2/21/17 11:38am

I remember a certain coach bragging about # of wins from years before too

Y4LYFE

2/21/17 11:32am

Rose shouldn't be fired. But the seat is definitely warm.

sidsie716

2/21/17 11:36am

There are two realities

blucoug18

2/21/17 11:37am

4 NCAA tournament wins. 8 NCAA tournament appearances.

Blue Cat

2/21/17 11:41am

Solely based on this stat, how would we rank?

Q-grr

2/21/17 2:57pm

Tied for 43rd in tourney wins. Tied for 11th (w/ 8 teams) in tourney appearances

Blue Cat

2/21/17 5:16pm

He has taken the program higher

BYU '80

2/21/17 11:43am

As a program evolves and gets better, fans continue to expect more improvement.

lightmann

2/21/17 11:45am

DotCOM and Housing Bubbles.....Yummy

Q-grr

2/21/17 2:59pm

Same lame arguments were made for Bronco.

Gerald-DeGroot

2/21/17 11:56am

They play more games in regular season now. 20 wins is easier to reach.

CougarThug

2/21/17 12:07pm

That's why I included winning percentage. You won't find a stretch with a better

Broda

2/21/17 12:12pm

I don't care. He is doing terrible and the team always has the same issues that

TutumTeRoboreReddam

2/21/17 12:10pm

Define terrible.

Broda

2/21/17 12:12pm

Rose is partially a victim of his own success. Also, what has people starting

jreid191

2/21/17 12:14pm

I don't think I have ever said Rose needs to be fired. I am very disappointed

idacoug

2/21/17 12:37pm

He's coasting. Period

Epileptic Beagle

2/21/17 12:51pm

Our previous Coaches stunk. Doesn't mean the future can't be brighter than Rose.

IronPotato

2/21/17 2:50pm

I put together some #'s two off-seasons ago that showed this as well

wisconsincougs

2/21/17 3:14pm

Please post this daily...the 'fans' here need this to step back from the ledge.

Blue streak

2/21/17 4:42pm

So if you had 4 aloths racing and hired a turtle to race and that turtle

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 7:22pm

This only makes sense if we're racing against turtles, or in a vacuum. There are

wisconsincougs

2/21/17 7:31pm

We have..start with the wcc,teams like uvu,san diego, etc.

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 8:41pm

English will help your arguement, whatever it may be.

Blue streak

2/21/17 8:57pm

Truth. Ao point is we are in wcc we are coaching vs turtles..

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 9:16pm

I have no idea what you are trying to say. English please. Spellcheck is your

Broda

2/21/17 8:40pm

True, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

Harrison0Yfan

2/21/17 4:55pm

Zags better than any team? Utah sucked way bad in 96, 97, and 98

Shteve

2/21/17 5:03pm

Honestly haven't seen many in the "fire Rose" camp...

Roko's Basilisk

2/21/17 6:02pm

A lot of coaches decline as they age.

Bullrider

2/21/17 9:10pm

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