If we were winning games we should win, then this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Feb 21, 2017
11:56:38am

Sock Gnome All-American

I don't mean shatter your view of Ken Pomeroy, but the "fact" is there are multiple stats that are all relevant as to how good a defense is. I'm glad you hold Ken in such high regard, but your "fact" is only one of many.

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For all of you in the "Fire Rose" camp

Broda

2/21/17 11:02am

Please don't confuse them with facts. It will hurt their fragile feelings.

PhilPete

2/21/17 11:07am

He has had a great ten years. Show me a coach who has done less with more in the

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:13am

I could name a dozen teams that do less with more. Look at LSU, Miss St, Tex A&M

Broda

2/21/17 11:27am

It could also be much better. Im willing to take the gamble rather than settle

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:31am

Lorenzo Romar at UW.

zagdontzig

2/21/17 12:02pm

When did one and done start?

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:15am

Wait, post season is all that matters, yet Rose has 2 more post-season wins in

Broda

2/21/17 11:29am

2 More Conference Tournament Championships - make it 5 to 5

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:33am

Also, 1986-1995 THERE WAS NO PLAY IN GAME.

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:37am

Of course the game is different. There is no perfect comparison. But the

Broda

2/21/17 11:54am

Helps playing in the WCC.

BDAWG

2/21/17 11:57am

And before it was the WAC, or MWC. Same teams just different names.

Broda

2/21/17 12:53pm

have not threatened to make the round of 32 since Jimmer

cwilke1

2/21/17 1:06pm

I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....

WJCougar

2/21/17 11:16am

RE: I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....

TucsonCatMan

2/21/17 1:24pm

RE: I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....

TucsonCatMan

2/21/17 1:25pm

What is he trajectory of BYU basketball? Direction of a program matters as much

unctoothman

2/21/17 11:16am

If you want to fire rose this season, you're crazy. But his seat should be warm.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:17am

I say we let him coach until we finish 5th in the WCC, average 5K fans in

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:20am

We're not bad on defense. It's a myth. In fact BYU is in the top 20% of teams.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:23am

Right...

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:27am

Sorry, it's just a fact. We have the #70 defense in the country.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:34am

And that's a fact, Jack. KenPom's one stat is the be-all, end-all of defensive..

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:53am

Until something better comes along, you're right, it is.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:59am

Better stat: 6. That's the # of WCC losses this year. Double what they should

unctoothman

2/21/17 2:56pm

Are you the coach? No? Then you should care.

Z-rex

2/21/17 5:06pm

Not this discussion again. There's 100 ways you can argue how good our defense..

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:28am

Adjusted defensive efficiency accounts for pace and most other factors.

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:35am

That's just fantastic. So as long as we have a good defensive "efficiency" then

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:43am

Then don't understand how to play basketball. You can disagree with the

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:53am

If we were winning games we should win, then this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Sock Gnome

2/21/17 11:56am

You're right about that, and kenpom calls it 'luck' we're one of the unluckiest

Z-rex

2/21/17 12:02pm

ppg is probably the best way to determine who won an actual game and how much

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:44am

It's actually not. The fact that you can't see that is enough evidence for me

Z-rex

2/21/17 11:49am

Compare 2007-2011 to 2012-2017.

fbguru

2/21/17 11:20am

The coach is the same, the only difference in that span is high school gyms.

Bert609

2/21/17 11:33am

Also missionary age. It's like he never recovered from that.

fbguru

2/21/17 11:41am

But the assistants are not the same, and in my opinion this is the crux of it

teancum

2/21/17 12:48pm

Please go and find the last 6 year span in BYU basketball history

OC Coug

2/21/17 11:22am

Whether you want to fire him or not, no one can deny a shake up is needed in

BYUheaven

2/21/17 11:24am

There's also the what, 6 bench points in the last 3 games

monkeycowboy

2/21/17 11:27am

Something like that.

BYUheaven

2/21/17 11:32am

I agree that a shakeup is needed, but firing rose would be a huge knee-jerk

Broda

2/21/17 11:34am

Regular season wins don't mean a ton though.

southernfriedcougar

2/21/17 11:37am

So what is the goal? I feel that many on here have unrealistic expectations.

Broda

2/21/17 11:46am

A conference championship, for starters.

southernfriedcougar

2/21/17 1:24pm

Btw, i don't think there's a "but" after those things you just said.

southernfriedcougar

2/21/17 1:28pm

To win the wvc but start with not losimg to uvu et al.

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 8:37pm

We are in the same boat

BYUheaven

2/21/17 11:38am

I remember a certain coach bragging about # of wins from years before too

Y4LYFE

2/21/17 11:32am

Rose shouldn't be fired. But the seat is definitely warm.

sidsie716

2/21/17 11:36am

There are two realities

blucoug18

2/21/17 11:37am

4 NCAA tournament wins. 8 NCAA tournament appearances.

Blue Cat

2/21/17 11:41am

Solely based on this stat, how would we rank?

Q-grr

2/21/17 2:57pm

Tied for 43rd in tourney wins. Tied for 11th (w/ 8 teams) in tourney appearances

Blue Cat

2/21/17 5:16pm

He has taken the program higher

BYU '80

2/21/17 11:43am

As a program evolves and gets better, fans continue to expect more improvement.

lightmann

2/21/17 11:45am

DotCOM and Housing Bubbles.....Yummy

Q-grr

2/21/17 2:59pm

Same lame arguments were made for Bronco.

Gerald-DeGroot

2/21/17 11:56am

They play more games in regular season now. 20 wins is easier to reach.

CougarThug

2/21/17 12:07pm

That's why I included winning percentage. You won't find a stretch with a better

Broda

2/21/17 12:12pm

I don't care. He is doing terrible and the team always has the same issues that

TutumTeRoboreReddam

2/21/17 12:10pm

Define terrible.

Broda

2/21/17 12:12pm

Rose is partially a victim of his own success. Also, what has people starting

jreid191

2/21/17 12:14pm

I don't think I have ever said Rose needs to be fired. I am very disappointed

idacoug

2/21/17 12:37pm

He's coasting. Period

Epileptic Beagle

2/21/17 12:51pm

Our previous Coaches stunk. Doesn't mean the future can't be brighter than Rose.

IronPotato

2/21/17 2:50pm

I put together some #'s two off-seasons ago that showed this as well

wisconsincougs

2/21/17 3:14pm

Please post this daily...the 'fans' here need this to step back from the ledge.

Blue streak

2/21/17 4:42pm

So if you had 4 aloths racing and hired a turtle to race and that turtle

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 7:22pm

This only makes sense if we're racing against turtles, or in a vacuum. There are

wisconsincougs

2/21/17 7:31pm

We have..start with the wcc,teams like uvu,san diego, etc.

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 8:41pm

English will help your arguement, whatever it may be.

Blue streak

2/21/17 8:57pm

Truth. Ao point is we are in wcc we are coaching vs turtles..

CarolinaCoug

2/21/17 9:16pm

I have no idea what you are trying to say. English please. Spellcheck is your

Broda

2/21/17 8:40pm

True, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

Harrison0Yfan

2/21/17 4:55pm

Zags better than any team? Utah sucked way bad in 96, 97, and 98

Shteve

2/21/17 5:03pm

Honestly haven't seen many in the "fire Rose" camp...

Roko's Basilisk

2/21/17 6:02pm

A lot of coaches decline as they age.

Bullrider

2/21/17 9:10pm

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