I'd love to see these mountains of data

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Jul 20, 2017
9:19:18am

Playoff Redshirt Freshman

I'd love to see these mountains of data

There are literally hundreds of examples of people improving their draft status by staying a year. To pretend it's just Nash and Jimmer is ridiculous.

I can't think of any examples of a player who is projected to not be drafted improve his draft stock by declaring early. There are many examples of people who were projected to not be drafted improve their draft stock by staying.

If you want to argue that net money was his goal, then fine, his decision may have been reasonable. If making the NBA was his goal, then it wasn't at all. And of the 5 or so people I've met that play on his level, absolutely everyone of them had the NBA as a goal. I'd be shocked if it wasn't for him

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Mika signs with Pesaro in Italy:

rainorsnow

7/20/17 6:28am

Congratulations Mika!

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 6:29am

So? I don't read "I" talian, or follow euro b ball. How much $ is he making and

7/20/17 6:46am

He's in the best league in Italy.

thebruce

7/20/17 7:06am

IIRC they also have a built in room and board as part of the package for all foreign players in most euro pro leagues

JohnnyComeLately

7/20/17 7:19am

Yep. Not to mention he comes from a savvy family when it comes

thebruce

7/20/17 7:22am

I know he comes from wealth,but I was simply asking

7/20/17 7:49am

I have a friend I played hockey with from my home reserve.

JohnnyComeLately

7/20/17 8:11am

Mika isnt your friend.He didnt play his ♡ out or he would still be@BYU He''s

7/20/17 8:20am

Not positive I got everything you meant to write but let me answer to the best of my abilities.

JohnnyComeLately

7/20/17 8:37am

Please Dont confuse my lack of desire to congratulate Mika with a desire to wish

7/20/17 9:13am

He worst argument on CB is the one where someone says that they haven't seen another post about subject X, thus their

macaroni

7/20/17 8:55am

Statistic improbability to not post on similar topoc.

7/20/17 9:15am

He actually is my friend. I've know the family for over 15 years. Bitter much?

7/20/17 9:15am

B-b-b-ut he didn't get his degree

icecougar

7/20/17 3:15pm

He's a unheralded rookie on a small team in a small town. I doubt he'll make

chilango

7/20/17 7:16am

You need to realize that those numbers factor in all divisions. He's in the top one. Now way he's under 100. That's

macaroni

7/20/17 7:46am

Do you have any data or information to back this up? Or just speculation?

chilango

7/20/17 7:49am

All you have to do is analyze your article. It's not difficult. You did it yourself. The average is 65. There are more

macaroni

7/20/17 7:53am

So not really. Anyway, keep in mind that the euro is also a lot weaker than it

chilango

7/20/17 7:57am

So why not really?

macaroni

7/20/17 8:00am

He's confirming that you have no data or info to back it up

Bgash

7/20/17 8:18am

Not really. Do you?

macaroni

7/20/17 8:25am

He provided 3 different links that are somewhat relevant. Better than nothing.

Bgash

7/20/17 1:40pm

they're blogs without any actual data. it's all opinion.

macaroni

7/20/17 9:00pm

Because you don't really have data to back up your statement. Here is another

chilango

7/20/17 9:10am

Uh...that actually backs me up, not you. And I didn't need to provide any data other than the fact that there are

macaroni

7/20/17 9:48am

It is more of an educated guess than an assumption, but I agree that it isn't a

chilango

7/20/17 9:53am

I didn't? The fact that Italy has many divisions isn't a data point???

macaroni

7/20/17 10:32am

The article states that the best case scenario was $100k in the best leagues for

chilango

7/20/17 10:48am

did you happen to read your own links?

macaroni

7/20/17 8:59pm

43%income tax bracket too plus 1%

7/20/17 8:31am

Where are the divisions listed and ranked? TIA.

7/20/17 7:54am

There are a ton

thebruce

7/20/17 8:10am

Italy population is 60 mil that many divisions..the

7/20/17 8:42am

Most leagues do suck.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:45am

What is the tax rate in italy? Cost of living? What is his take home, etc?

7/20/17 7:52am

Do you think Eric didn't know all this before deciding to leave BYU?

Brigham

7/20/17 8:21am

I am presumptuous.

Brigham

7/20/17 8:13am

Ha! The cougarboard post is the same length as the linked article.

cujo22

7/20/17 6:46am

Same. I clicked on the link hoping for contract details or a story...nope

2018grad

7/20/17 7:46am

The Plan

7/20/17 7:27am

It's unlikely that he is making that much. Not sure where people are getting the

chilango

7/20/17 7:33am

The average budget for players and coaches per team in his league is about 8 mil

thebruce

7/20/17 7:37am

Read this, and keep in mind that Pesaro is a very small club in a small town,

chilango

7/20/17 7:38am

That average is not equally distributed, and this isn't one of the top teams.

jrob30

7/20/17 7:43am

I know that. The top teams probably have 15 million dollar budgets

thebruce

7/20/17 7:46am

Soccer is much bigger in Italy than basketball, and Italian soccer teams don't

hansel

7/20/17 8:08am

going back to mission country with wife to play hoops and get paid...hmmm...

nashty

7/20/17 7:32am

Are you sure? Starting salaries for rookie basketball players in Italy are

chilango

7/20/17 7:36am

BUT HE'S PLAYING A SPORT... IN ITALY... FOR MONEY!!!

Revolution

7/20/17 7:43am

if i'm 23 and really good at basketball i'll postpone my "business career" a few

nashty

7/20/17 7:44am

That's fine, if he just really wanted to live in Italy, then more power to him.

chilango

7/20/17 7:48am

who's arguing it's some "financial bonanza"? (whatever that is) and great for

nashty

7/20/17 8:00am

Why? If Italy was that great more Americans would move there.

7/20/17 8:13am

He will be. 43%tax bracket plus an additional 1% local rate,so

7/20/17 8:18am

Lol

thebruce

7/20/17 8:22am

i love how CC is now the resident euro CPA. LOL

nashty

7/20/17 8:47am

So what is it then? I can only state what Italy says it is.

7/20/17 8:50am

I have seen a number of people say this on this board over time. A quick search

chilango

7/20/17 8:56am

Are there attorneys who do both deportation defense and H1Bs?

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 7:52am

really smart guys like byutx or carlstud. i'm a solo shop that just does family

nashty

7/20/17 7:58am

you were a business major and you don't do business-related stuff?

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 11:58am

i'm confused...do you legitimately think that the marriott school teaches about

nashty

7/20/17 1:55pm

Yeah,but also.not really congratulations worthy...

7/20/17 8:10am

so you are like the congratulations police? If the neighbor kid lands

cwilke1

7/20/17 8:37am

The salaries aren't as bad as you think. Serie A

thebruce

7/20/17 7:45am

That's cool,but do you know the tax rate?

7/20/17 7:56am

In many instances it's 0% for players. Just depends.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:04am

Just read it's not He''s taxed on all $ made in Italy anything over 65€ = 43%

7/20/17 8:37am

Where did you read that?

thebruce

7/20/17 8:38am

BTW the reason it's typically tax free is because during contract negotiations

thebruce

7/20/17 8:43am

So it's not really tax free they just negotiate

7/20/17 8:53am

The salary is tax free. But obviously the team

thebruce

7/20/17 8:59am

Google looked up income tax rate for italy..

7/20/17 8:48am

Dude. You don't understand how this works.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:55am

If that's how it works cool..so Do you know of any employers

7/20/17 1:54pm

I don't think it works this way either. The team pays his Italian taxes on his

chilango

7/20/17 2:11pm

There is a lot of information online you can read

thebruce

7/20/17 6:04pm

When I lived overseas, I technically paid zero taxes in the various countries I

chilango

7/20/17 8:51pm

Dude, they are paying close to zero in taxes.

thebruce

7/20/17 8:53pm

I have, and I actually lived overseas several times with my employer paying my

chilango

7/20/17 9:10pm

Ok this isn't getting anywhere and it doesn't really matter.

thebruce

7/20/17 9:22pm

your own link said that the taxes are paid for.

macaroni

7/20/17 9:25pm

Sure, like my taxes were paid for in China, by my employer. Doesn't mean I

chilango

7/24/17 9:59pm

Do you want to discuss heaps/Nelson too?

thebruce

7/24/17 10:05pm

I guarantee he is making more doing this than had he graduated from BYU

Dissenter

7/20/17 8:01am

What do you base this on? I recruit for my company at BYU, and we offer new

chilango

7/20/17 9:00am

How long is your season?

jvquarterback

7/20/17 9:25am

Recruiting season kicks off in September, and we usually wrap up in early Dec.

chilango

7/20/17 10:51am

Do you think Eric knew that when he decided to leave BYU?

Brigham

7/20/17 8:24am

I think he had unrealistic expectations about his ability to make an NBA roster.

chilango

7/20/17 8:58am

What I don't get is why not play another year or 2 at BYU? Italy would still be

rggee

7/20/17 7:59am

who said waiting 2 years increases his NBA stock? i don't think that's true at

nashty

7/20/17 8:02am

Who said it wouldn't?

rggee

7/20/17 8:03am

me...for one. i'm sure many others told mika the same thing

nashty

7/20/17 8:10am

Very surprised someone of your basketball intelligence

gurt

7/20/17 8:23am

mika, surprisingly, peaked in year 1 after his mission. he knew it. he moved

nashty

7/20/17 8:54am

I'd love to see these mountains of data

Playoff

7/20/17 9:19am

this is SOOOO easy...look at ANY draft in the last 10 years and tell me how many

nashty

7/20/17 1:58pm

Yes exactly, they are talking about that

gurt

7/20/17 2:42pm

that's what NCAA says. that doesn't mean NBA GM's are gonna actually pick kids

nashty

7/20/17 4:35pm

Yes... but. That's not what the convo Is about

gurt

7/20/17 4:41pm

there are also many examples

lukeskywalker

7/20/17 9:51am

who said it was "always" a benefit? or that it was without risk? no one is

nashty

7/20/17 1:59pm

conventional wisdom for early entrants to NBA draft:

lukeskywalker

7/20/17 2:54pm

This is correct. Just must not have been a basketball decision

archie

7/20/17 2:58pm

Very well said

gurt

7/20/17 4:45pm

His stock is essentially 0

archie

7/20/17 8:37am

The Jazz just signed 2 guys from the Euro leagues.

cwilke1

7/20/17 8:40am

yeah...NBA teams never sign players from europe! much better chances in the NBA

nashty

7/20/17 8:49am

fixed*

archie

7/20/17 9:00am

Maybe because he and his wife want the experience now

kccougar

7/20/17 8:11am

Uhh... congratulations ... I guess ?

gurt

7/20/17 8:04am

I love how people here are making decision for him. Goodness gracious.

ChinoCoug

7/20/17 8:17am

Who is making decisions for him? I just don't undersrand

7/20/17 9:02am

Bunch of fat, middle aged "BYU fans" can't be happy for a former player

fredetteaboutit13

7/20/17 8:38am

Heyyy... I'm not fat!

gurt

7/20/17 8:41am

Sorry I should have said besides gurt. I've seen you on tv!

fredetteaboutit13

7/20/17 8:44am

Ok ok.. I could probably lose 10

gurt

7/20/17 8:47am

That's not his dream. His dream was nba..So let's start there.

7/20/17 9:00am

He's getting paid to play basketball. Yes that's a dream.

Machiavelli

7/20/17 9:17am

No you aren't paying sttention I don't care that he left I just don't understand

7/20/17 2:30pm

And....nor am I sad for him. I just don't freaking care.

idacoug

7/20/17 10:39am

I seriously can't stand the negativity on CB surrounding Mika.

Machiavelli

7/20/17 9:14am

I don't think it's negativity

Playoff

7/20/17 9:22am

Honestly his motives don't even matter that much.

Machiavelli

7/20/17 9:27am

exactly...most are blinded by their BYU fandom. leave the kid alone

nashty

7/20/17 2:02pm

Amen.

Bgash

7/20/17 1:52pm

it's seriously weird...very, very weird.

nashty

7/20/17 2:01pm

Honestly this is the best thing that could have happened for BYU

archie

7/20/17 10:00am

I also hope recruits distance themselves from fansites like this.

cwilke1

7/20/17 10:23am

^^^ glass is half full sort of CB'r

lightmann

7/20/17 11:25am

WPOTD

Dissenter

7/20/17 11:53am

I have kids your age, and if they wanted to do what you just said you would do,

chilango

7/20/17 12:32pm

I would probably finish one semester. But two years to put off making bank? idk

Dissenter

7/20/17 3:16pm

White Punks On Dope?

archie

7/20/17 2:51pm

lol, forgot the T in POTD

Dissenter

7/20/17 3:16pm

And then point to Jimmer to see the benefits of staying

BYU '80

7/20/17 12:23pm

I hope he does well, still wish he was a Cougar though. His choice, so best of luck.

lightmann

7/20/17 10:56am

AMEN!

7/20/17 2:32pm

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