Liberty is a rising team with good support, financing, and a national base

Oct 5, 2017
12:03:16pm

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You are looking at Liberty as an FCS team. I'm looking at what they are becoming. They have money, administrative support, a national fan base, and their own TV network. They are going to be good.

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Argue this all you want, but I believe going back to the MWC is better for BYU.

BlueForLife

10/5/17 12:48am

RE: Argue this all you want, but I believe going back to the MWC is better for

Cougarfan777

10/5/17 12:53am

Texas football is drowning. Being in a conference isn't fixing it for them.

Y2k

10/5/17 1:05am

Losing is a problem whether Indy, P5 or MWC. I do think bringing back regional

BlueForLife

10/5/17 1:48am

You can't argue with these INDY lovers. They think INDY is equal to P5. If

blackshirts

10/5/17 7:08am

I don't think the word "argue" means what you appear to think it means....

Fido

10/5/17 7:35am

No, we merely think it is better than G5.

Freddie Cougar

10/5/17 10:43am

Regional rivals such as Utah, Utah State, and Boise St?

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 9:16am

USU and Boise are not rivals, we just play them...BYU only has one rival

Nat Gas Man

10/5/17 10:48am

So tell me why they aren't independent? Someone tell me

SaintGeorgeYFan

10/5/17 3:10am

Because it works SO well!

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:34am

This is the key question that indy lovers can’t face

Run-DMT

10/5/17 8:08am

Because all other teams with it size budget, facilities, fan base are P5.

Cougarpolis

10/5/17 8:17am

How many G5 teams have a 60K stadium, and are top 20 in basketball attendance?

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 9:18am

Their problem is coaching, boosters and fans with unreal expectations. Familiar?

Turd Furguson

10/5/17 6:50am

This makes no sense at all.

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:34am

Drowning in money, I guess. Their profit in 2015 was $91M

OPINIONS

10/5/17 7:40am

Being in the MWC - drowning even more

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 9:14am

I only get 12-14 BYU football games a year. I’ll watch and await all 12-14...

billyrust

10/5/17 12:58am

I’ll watch them too, because they are on networks that are easily accessible.

Lolo

10/5/17 1:05am

I get that. I believe we could probably still have an in with ESPN if we went

BlueForLife

10/5/17 1:34am

Uh, wasn't MWC inflexibility with rights the main problem last time?

panguitch

10/5/17 4:45am

The ESPN $$$ would still be there. ESPN needs teams to fill Thursday/Friday

blackshirts

10/5/17 6:36am

What about the TV history with the MWC

Fido

10/5/17 7:41am

Thompson is still the MWC commish and he told BYU to pound sand on TV rights

valcorger

10/5/17 11:54am

Of course he did!

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 12:54pm

The heck with the football program, at least I can still see a game. SMH

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:36am

It won't happen....MWC is now a glorified WAC and BYU would drop sports first

Nat Gas Man

10/5/17 1:02am

Would we? We are in the WCC for basketball and just built a huge new practice

BlueForLife

10/5/17 1:25am

Because of football...

Cougarpolis

10/5/17 7:13am

I'm not even sure the MWC is a "glorified" WAC

fattycoug

10/5/17 8:05am

byu's recruiting class was #62 the year they went independent SDSU and Boise

franklyvulgar

10/5/17 1:08am

Truth be told...

Cougarfan777

10/5/17 1:16am

Exactly.

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:39am

Yes, and playing in the WAC/MWC plus about 2-3 P5 teams is about the right

Run-DMT

10/5/17 8:11am

One more argument. Look at how many MWC teams we are playing this year. Six on

BlueForLife

10/5/17 1:21am

Going back to the MWC is like having your son play tackle football. After

BlueForLife

10/5/17 2:00am

And the problem with this is...

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:40am

I'm with you on that.

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:02am

I was the best player on my HS volleyball B team

Dissenter

10/5/17 12:42pm

Here's a couple good points to the contrary.

Y2k

10/5/17 2:02am

I think we have bargaining chips in our favor. We wouldn't go back

BlueForLife

10/5/17 2:10am

And it's not like anyone in the MWC is any more likely to want to help

panguitch

10/5/17 4:39am

This really isn't any different than before. We were just as arrogant in the MWC

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:42am

Hair would change his mind when he sees the actual $$$ figures we are bringing

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:41am

Going back to the MWC is like having a job with a good company that pays less.

BlueForLife

10/5/17 2:03am

RE: Going back to the MWC is like having a job with a good company that pays

Y2k

10/5/17 2:51am

until you realize your old job was head septic cleaner.

Cougarpolis

10/5/17 7:16am

The MWC was bad company that hated us

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 9:28am

You are 100% correct and I fear that the program will continue to decline before

mm73

10/5/17 2:55am

Becoming, we have years of evidence to prove this is who we are.

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:43am

You are making suggestions without enough data. You need to go talk with large donors and see if they are willing to

HarlemCoug

10/5/17 4:11am

Apparently you donated when we were in the MWC, why then and not now?

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:50am

I agree we need to be in a conference but the AAC is a better fit.

Cabadapeste

10/5/17 4:41am

ad nauseum

panguitch

10/5/17 5:06am

What has that money and exposure done for us? Our on-the-field product is no

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:52am

So you propose giving up $20Mil for a product that is the same or maybe slightly

ByuMba90

10/5/17 7:57am

If you think we would be giving all that money up IF we were to join a G5

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 8:18am

So we give up $20 mil/yr for a chance at a trophy we already have dozens of?

panguitch

10/5/17 8:03am

First I don't think we give up $20M.

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 8:23am

Here's where I got the $20m number I used in my response:

panguitch

10/5/17 10:07am

I'm not questioning your $20m number.

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 1:00pm

Barney style?

panguitch

10/5/17 2:00pm

I'm Vancouvercougar and I approve this message

vancouvercougar

10/5/17 1:35pm

You’re absolutely right!

gwalker

10/5/17 6:19am

Definitely not a Ute and will never be. I would cheer for UVUs football team

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:04am

Winning the MWC is a meaningless accomplishment.

Freddie Cougar

10/5/17 6:22am

Winning the LV bowl is meaningless! Being ranked 90+ is meaningless!

blackshirts

10/5/17 6:39am

And the New Mexico Bowl is meaningful? Heck we might not even get there this

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:53am

Better than a 9-4 independence year. We are already playing 6 MWC teams now. Our

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:05am

I hear all your points but they don't address the biggest factor

Crowd Factor

10/5/17 6:56am

Sustainability? We already have been there before. It's nothing new, we are

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:09am

Rip Van Winkle: Wake up, it is not 1984

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 9:53am

Nobody is arguing that this model will get us to a NC.

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 10:03am

You want to see fans disengage and not show up to games?

VegasCoug83

10/5/17 6:57am

Kind of like they are doing right now?

Turd Furguson

10/5/17 7:03am

PS, we don't have P5 status with the B12. By all rights, we are a G5 team and

Turd Furguson

10/5/17 7:05am

Oh, fans have already disengaged.

blackshirts

10/5/17 7:29am

Haha, you must not have seen the Wisconsin game.

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 7:54am

We will still schedule the big guys. Our schedule will look very similar but

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:14am

RE: Argue this all you want, but I believe going back to the MWC is better for

Abe Froman

10/5/17 7:04am

Glad someone said it.

KeithSweat

10/5/17 7:24am

Not MWC, think about AAC with BYU, BSU, SDSU and Air Force.

Oatmeal

10/5/17 7:53am

AAC would be better but I don't k own if the cost in travel would justify us

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:10am

Look at our 2019 and 2020 schedules. You're telling me you'd rather play

Dangerous

10/5/17 8:07am

I would love to play the 19 and 20 schedules. The problem is that after we lose

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:13am

You get you'd be playing for a MWC trophy, right?

Cougarpolis

10/5/17 8:21am

Yes. What are we playing for now?

BlueForLife

10/5/17 8:37am

RE: Yes. What are we playing for now?

Cougarpolis

10/5/17 8:38am

With a loss to Utah St., we wouldn't be playing for a MWC title

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 8:59am

Watching my team get obliterated with a significant portion of the stadium empty

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 8:25am

BYU charged significantly more for Wisconsin than Portland State

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 9:57am

So same logic applies "Watching my team get obliterated with a significant

TheLoneCougar

10/5/17 10:08am

dude, if we're going back to a conf. it's not likely going to be the MWC

Avery

10/5/17 8:08am

I'm sorry I just can't help but laugh at your recent posts. I get it the MWC

Polecat

10/5/17 8:27am

you've put words in my mouth. I don't claim the MWC is sitting around lamenting

Avery

10/5/17 8:46am

You're just making things up though. Where are you getting that:

Polecat

10/5/17 3:16pm

BYU to MWC: “You’re conf sucks, we’d never join you losers again. But will you”

Run-DMT

10/5/17 8:18am

and they do. I wonder why....

Cougarpolis

10/5/17 8:21am

It wasn't the conference opponents that sucked (even if they actually did)....

ByuMba90

10/5/17 8:32am

Sunbelt, CUSA, AAC all would play us

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 9:59am

If you really want to be in a P6 bowl, start a lawsuit

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 8:53am

Did you just say Liberty U would be a good Nov rival? Wow.

Run-DMT

10/5/17 10:03am

Liberty is a rising team with good support, financing, and a national base

HawkeyeCoug

10/5/17 12:03pm

Good for you. Going back is short-sighted and an admission BYU doesn’t belong

StalwartBraveTrue

10/5/17 10:01am

Can you recategorize this?

TailgateU

10/5/17 10:04am

I'd like a "You're Wrong" category that I can just ignore

Styro

10/5/17 11:37am

We're too Big to eat at the Kids Table.

BigHouse Coug

10/5/17 4:15pm

They're pretty much playing a MW schedule already.

KeithSweat

10/6/17 12:46am

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