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mulletino
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Kalani: Ride it out.
BeardedCougar
8/20/18 11:35am
So five more years of sub-.500 ball is okay by you? Wow.
SandYFan
8/20/18 11:37am
Comprehension fail
SUAVO
8/20/18 2:27pm
his board name checks out. A wise fan builds his house upon a...
icecougar
8/21/18 3:05am
I think we fail to look at level of opponents Kalani is facing
1984coug
8/20/18 3:08pm
Did you know: Bronco's schedules have been tougher than Kalani's?
Mr. Scoobs
8/20/18 5:24pm
This is the breakdown
donnerstag
8/20/18 5:31pm
5 of our opponents in 2017 spent time ranked in the CFP that season...
icecougar
8/21/18 3:18am
Didn't lose 9 games because we lost to top 25 teams.
Mr. Scoobs
8/21/18 8:51am
It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco
donnerstag
8/20/18 11:37am
Um, it is?
SandYFan
8/20/18 11:39am
This metric means a lot more than recruiting averages
donnerstag
8/20/18 11:41am
I'd argue the metric is about who performs on the field for BYU. I don't
SandYFan
8/20/18 11:42am
The Sitake recruits are all underclassmen
donnerstag
8/20/18 11:44am
Right. Hope most of them pan out.
SandYFan
8/20/18 11:46am
It doesn't actually, Bronco's staff used to lock up kids
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:11pm
Sitake is locking players up early too
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:19pm
Sitake's early recruits leave. Bronco didn't have that problem. To your point
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:22pm
Not true. Top talent comes more often under Sitake
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:26pm
Why don't we go by actual recruiting rankings like the rest of the
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:28pm
No. Because recruiting rankings doesn't include transfers
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:32pm
So you are banking on our one time boost making us
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:42pm
90% of the commits came before the 4-9 season
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:49pm
you also need to realize that taking transfers actually hurts your
Bostonblue
8/20/18 12:55pm
I would completely agree except for the fact that we had 25+
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:58pm
you need to check your facts.
Bostonblue
8/20/18 1:42pm
RE: you need to check your facts.
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 2:06pm
like I said, check your facts. Some of those are transfers.
Bostonblue
8/20/18 2:59pm
Which were counted as signees and included in the rankings
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 3:53pm
transfers don't count in the rankings.
Bostonblue
8/20/18 3:56pm
Go take a look at the calculations and points and you will
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 4:01pm
no, you are wrong. Just like you were about thinking that RB is one of the
Bostonblue
8/20/18 4:26pm
That is some sound reasoning... in other words you can't justify anything
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 4:30pm
You’re asking me to prove to you common sense
Bostonblue
8/20/18 9:13pm
Look at the lists I gave you and tell me which ones they aren't
kimdaddy35
8/21/18 11:42am
all of the transfers. again, it's common sense, you can't change
Bostonblue
8/21/18 11:48am
Which ones, this isn't hard
kimdaddy35
8/21/18 11:51am
the rivals guys have confirmed it. the link you provided
Bostonblue
8/21/18 1:11pm
So none? That is what I thought.
kimdaddy35
8/21/18 1:31pm
Ha. You want me to prove up Rivals' calculations like I work for them?
Bostonblue
8/21/18 1:37pm
No take a look at this list and tell me which ones you think aren't
kimdaddy35
8/21/18 5:28pm
I'm completely baffled why you want me to rebut the source's own position
Bostonblue
8/21/18 5:39pm
LOL, you are so funny. You can't find anyone and realize you
kimdaddy35
8/22/18 11:37am
Nope. You continue to argue over something that the Rivals
Bostonblue
8/22/18 11:54am
If you can ball you get offers... It doesn't matter who they are committed too
BrutustheBrash
8/20/18 12:37pm
If you are one of the best players in the country that is true
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:40pm
I disagree. I don't say any clear recruiting advantage. I see his recruiting
Sandy Lyle
8/20/18 12:01pm
Sure. If you ignore all the evidence
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:17pm
All the evidence says Kalani has recruited worse than
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:27pm
The only evidence you need to look at is the improved quality
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:37pm
Funny as the goal this year is for 6 wins, that means our quality has
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:43pm
No. Health + experience + talent + schedule are the 4 elements to success
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:47pm
Actually coaching is the #1 indicator of success in college football
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 1:22pm
Is that why when Norm Chow went from USC to Hawaii
donnerstag
8/20/18 1:33pm
Norm Chow was the head coach at USC? I don't remember that.
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 2:03pm
He was the OC of an elite offense
donnerstag
8/20/18 2:09pm
You do realize that not every great coordinator makes a great HC?
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 2:10pm
Sure. But that doesn't mean he couldn't elevate the offense
donnerstag
8/20/18 2:25pm
Good coaching leads to more wins which almost always leads
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 2:31pm
"but it can't make a mediocre team into even average territory" umm that is the
Gorum the Old
8/20/18 2:47pm
That's a bit hyperbolic
donnerstag
8/20/18 3:04pm
What world are you living in?
Byu_1988
8/20/18 1:18pm
You do realize that the team traveled nearly half walkons last year
donnerstag
8/20/18 1:32pm
No, teams don't don't carry that many walkons
ALC
8/20/18 1:44pm
RE: No, teams don't don't carry that many walkons
donnerstag
8/20/18 1:51pm
So injuries to 13 out of 85
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 2:09pm
No. We ranked almost dead last in experience last year
donnerstag
8/20/18 2:23pm
We weren't high, but we also weren't close to dead last
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 4:04pm
I know you are an affirmed Bronco hater
ALC
8/20/18 1:36pm
OK,
Gorum the Old
8/20/18 2:10pm
OK, lets look at the "improved quality" of the position groups:
Gorum the Old
8/20/18 2:23pm
All that matters is wins and losses. Bronco at this point is better that way.
dodgersjazzcougs
8/20/18 3:15pm
Yea, but BM didn't have the worst loosing season in modern history. That honor
coolblue
8/20/18 3:20pm
You must have forgotten about 2003
donnerstag
8/20/18 3:25pm
2003 finished #68 compared to #112 last year.
Mr. Scoobs
8/20/18 3:30pm
The distortion of reality about how Bronco is bad & Kalani good is fascinating
runnincoug
8/20/18 12:10pm
I've got to step in here. Bronco recruited really good LBs. His O-Line recruits
FanofBYU
8/20/18 3:01pm
hey, if you don't count Reynolds' boys, you can't count Kalani's "cousins"!
runnincoug
8/21/18 3:20am
He's only had 2 real years to recruit. Early signings would indicate that he
FanofBYU
8/23/18 12:52pm
RE: It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco
FairWeather-L.I.T.S.
8/20/18 1:47pm
RE: It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco
Gerald-DeGroot
8/20/18 4:46pm
Taysom Hill and Jamaal Williams - I'll buy that when he can put guys like
MajorPain
8/20/18 5:12pm
You know I sometimes joke about Bronco Derangement Syndrome, but this is the
BeardedSpock
8/20/18 6:19pm
Too objective
FairWeather-L.I.T.S.
8/21/18 4:02pm
So what do you base success if not performance/results?
Mr. Scoobs
8/20/18 11:39am
There are rides at theme parks I refuse to wait in line for.
Bert609
8/20/18 11:39am
Don't forget that he's already had 2.5 years.
BlueBeliever
8/20/18 12:17pm
Your standard is .500???
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:30pm
It is pathetic. In fact, I might not renew my tickets if we are .500 or below this year.
Bert609
8/20/18 1:11pm
Kalani has 2 years to fix this. He will get another pass this year from BYU.
WJCougar
8/20/18 11:41am
Remember, mediocre is 8-10 wins, not 4-6 wins.
coolblue
8/20/18 12:29pm
You are in for a lifetime of disappointment. The days of the old WAC...
Samurai Jack
8/20/18 1:26pm
3-5 more years? ha ha
mulletino
8/20/18 11:41am
BYU can go with another untested coordinator
donnerstag
8/20/18 11:47am
Would you not say last year the team was lost?
Mr. Scoobs
8/20/18 11:50am
The offense was lost
donnerstag
8/20/18 11:52am
The defense was abysmal.
SandYFan
8/20/18 11:58am
The defense was within the range of normal for BYU
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:00pm
Near dead last in pass defense? Nah.
SandYFan
8/20/18 12:38pm
That was par for the course in the old BYU days
donnerstag
8/20/18 12:49pm
Agree with you on this one
8cougar8
8/20/18 8:25pm
Without trying to sound hyperbolic, he may be our last hope.
kolob32
8/20/18 11:42am
This is my point. I think if he's fired our program takes a HUGE stop back.
BeardedCougar
8/20/18 12:09pm
RE: Without trying to sound hyperbolic, he may be our last hope.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/20/18 1:19pm
until we get in a conference and put independence behind us, we are throwing
kolob32
8/20/18 1:26pm
Much of BYU's fanbase has become so delicate.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/20/18 1:30pm
I like to call it realistic
kolob32
8/20/18 1:37pm
uh, if you have the worst year in 40 years and another losing season, you dont get 3-5 more years
Deleted
8/20/18 11:46am
What kind of players will he be able to recruit if BYU tanks again this year.
Brisco
8/20/18 11:47am
Kalani set his own standard. It is now just a touch above the detmer standard
youngbuck
8/20/18 11:53am
Yes, and Kalani should be held to the same standard he set for his coaches.
MajorPain
8/20/18 5:25pm
Almost agree — but don't believe he needs 3-5 MORE years if he fails to hit 6-6
Benfica1
8/20/18 11:56am
It's likely that Crowton would have put it all together in 2006
donnerstag
8/20/18 11:58am
It was possible. But, it was time for a change.
Benfica1
8/20/18 12:03pm
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WhiskeyCoug
8/20/18 12:06pm
You guys underestimate the need for a good coach
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:21pm
I didn't think Crowton was a good HC or should have be retained.
Benfica1
8/21/18 1:31pm
Wow - you said "likely" - about a coach that had only one winning
MajorPain
8/20/18 6:01pm
If you saw what the roster looked like in 2002
donnerstag
8/20/18 6:06pm
I agree as long as there is evidence that he’s learning from his mistakes.
Traveshamockery
8/20/18 12:05pm
Don't pay a guy more than $75,000 if he's going to make mistakes and take several years to learn from them.
Brisco
8/20/18 12:15pm
You need to take another look at supply/demand for BYU's HC position
GOR
8/20/18 1:22pm
There already is evidence of that
GOR
8/20/18 1:21pm
RE: Kalani: Ride it out.
WhiskeyCoug
8/20/18 12:07pm
5 wins, replace the defensive staff
whirl
8/20/18 12:10pm
One of the worst takes I have ever seen. Despite horrendous results
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:12pm
I know it's a rough take, but I think we will only get worse if he leaves.
BeardedCougar
8/20/18 12:20pm
Of course we can. A good coach can turn things around quickly
kimdaddy35
8/20/18 12:25pm
I'm not sure how it can get worse than last year, he lost to UMass at home, and
califcougar
8/20/18 1:38pm
Absolutely agree with this take. 6 wins against the 2018 schedule is the floor.
boscatar
8/20/18 2:17pm
My thought as well - such a bad take. Time for BYU fans to have some pride.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/20/18 1:20pm
I gotta agree with kimdaddy on this one...
westsidecoug
8/20/18 3:04pm
Huh? His first year they were 9-4 with a bowl game win. His 2nd year
FanofBYU
8/20/18 3:19pm
I didn't say fire him now...I agree to let this season play out.
westsidecoug
8/20/18 3:31pm
Well put
Coogar2
8/20/18 8:05pm
I'm willing to start over today.
coolblue
8/20/18 12:24pm
Really? You don't even want to see how this season goes first?
BlueBeliever
8/20/18 12:28pm
Me too
Coogar2
8/20/18 8:02pm
Boy, the only thing I can agree with here is that I’m not looking forward to searching for another guy.
Refugee
8/20/18 1:12pm
Nope. He gets two more years tops including this season. If he hasn’t turned
mm73
8/20/18 1:26pm
Everyone knows my take on Kalani - he lacks the mental horsepower, discipline,
TeeKaa
8/20/18 1:54pm
Yup. We hired a DC from a 2-10 team. KS was at the very bottom of my wish list.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/20/18 2:08pm
Unfortunately the top and bottom of my realistic wish list aren't very far apart
Gorum the Old
8/20/18 2:53pm
Please. Oregon State was already in the toilet before he got there. They're
FanofBYU
8/20/18 3:02pm
And in just two yrs Kalani took a solid program to the toilet.
Mr. Scoobs
8/20/18 3:57pm
One year is an anomaly. Let’s see what this season brings.
FanofBYU
8/21/18 11:50am
Sounds right
Coogar2
8/20/18 8:03pm
I have a beard
Prickly Heat
8/20/18 2:03pm
Great take. I would give him 2-3 more seasons.
partybog
8/20/18 3:24pm
I actually agree though last year's problems started to free like
CougaRR4L
8/20/18 4:01pm
RE: Kalani: Ride it out.
BuckeyeCougarCrumb
8/20/18 4:14pm
I can go along with 3yrs but not 5
kahuna
8/20/18 4:42pm
I guess I mean 3 from now, 5 total.
BeardedCougar
8/20/18 4:46pm
Agreed
1HotCougar
8/20/18 5:08pm
Scary to see the number of POTD and thumbs up on this. Am I missing some satire
RugbyBYU
8/20/18 5:16pm
Don't think he'll succeed in the long run because of how he conducted himself...
MajorPain
8/20/18 7:00pm
You mean holding Detmer accountable for a terrible offense?
BeardedCougar
8/20/18 7:09pm
Looking forward to Holmoe holding Sitake accountable for a terrible season last
MajorPain
8/20/18 7:45pm
Said every Ty Detmer fan about Ty Detmer
Borg
8/20/18 7:26pm
So you'll call me a "Grimes fan" when I defend him after Kalani throws
MajorPain
8/20/18 10:00pm
I’d give Kalani 3 to 5 games not 3 to 5 seasons
Coogar2
8/20/18 8:01pm
Give Kalani 3-5 MORE years even if he's losing? No way. Zip. Nada. Nyet!
BleedCougarBlue2
8/20/18 8:37pm
I don't think it matters at this point.
BlueFever
8/20/18 9:53pm
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