Did you know: Bronco's schedules have been tougher than Kalani's?

Aug 20, 2018
5:24:36pm

Mr. Scoobs All-American

In the MWC schedules where BYU had similar SOS to Kalani's, BYU finished in the top 25, not the bottom 25. Next year may be tougher, but so far, SOS isn't a good excuse as to why BYU was so bad.

2005 - #65 (6-6)
2006 - #74 (11-2)
2007 - #59 (11-2)
2008 - #74 (10-3)
2009 - #61 (11-2)
2010 - #55 (7-6)
2011 - #90 (10-3)
2012 - #63 (8-5)
2013 - #38 (8-5)
2014 - #69 (8-5)
2015 - #65 (9-4)
2016 - #75 (9-4)
2017 - #74 (4-9)

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Kalani: Ride it out.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 11:35am

So five more years of sub-.500 ball is okay by you? Wow.

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:37am

Comprehension fail

SUAVO

8/20/18 2:27pm

his board name checks out. A wise fan builds his house upon a...

icecougar

8/21/18 3:05am

I think we fail to look at level of opponents Kalani is facing

1984coug

8/20/18 3:08pm

Did you know: Bronco's schedules have been tougher than Kalani's?

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 5:24pm

This is the breakdown

donnerstag

8/20/18 5:31pm

5 of our opponents in 2017 spent time ranked in the CFP that season...

icecougar

8/21/18 3:18am

Didn't lose 9 games because we lost to top 25 teams.

Mr. Scoobs

8/21/18 8:51am

It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:37am

Um, it is?

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:39am

This metric means a lot more than recruiting averages

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:41am

I'd argue the metric is about who performs on the field for BYU. I don't

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:42am

The Sitake recruits are all underclassmen

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:44am

Right. Hope most of them pan out.

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:46am

It doesn't actually, Bronco's staff used to lock up kids

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:11pm

Sitake is locking players up early too

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:19pm

Sitake's early recruits leave. Bronco didn't have that problem. To your point

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:22pm

Not true. Top talent comes more often under Sitake

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:26pm

Why don't we go by actual recruiting rankings like the rest of the

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:28pm

No. Because recruiting rankings doesn't include transfers

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:32pm

So you are banking on our one time boost making us

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:42pm

90% of the commits came before the 4-9 season

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:49pm

you also need to realize that taking transfers actually hurts your

Bostonblue

8/20/18 12:55pm

I would completely agree except for the fact that we had 25+

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:58pm

you need to check your facts.

Bostonblue

8/20/18 1:42pm

RE: you need to check your facts.

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:06pm

like I said, check your facts. Some of those are transfers.

Bostonblue

8/20/18 2:59pm

Which were counted as signees and included in the rankings

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 3:53pm

transfers don't count in the rankings.

Bostonblue

8/20/18 3:56pm

Go take a look at the calculations and points and you will

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 4:01pm

no, you are wrong. Just like you were about thinking that RB is one of the

Bostonblue

8/20/18 4:26pm

That is some sound reasoning... in other words you can't justify anything

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 4:30pm

You’re asking me to prove to you common sense

Bostonblue

8/20/18 9:13pm

Look at the lists I gave you and tell me which ones they aren't

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 11:42am

all of the transfers. again, it's common sense, you can't change

Bostonblue

8/21/18 11:48am

Which ones, this isn't hard

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 11:51am

the rivals guys have confirmed it. the link you provided

Bostonblue

8/21/18 1:11pm

So none? That is what I thought.

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 1:31pm

Ha. You want me to prove up Rivals' calculations like I work for them?

Bostonblue

8/21/18 1:37pm

No take a look at this list and tell me which ones you think aren't

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 5:28pm

I'm completely baffled why you want me to rebut the source's own position

Bostonblue

8/21/18 5:39pm

LOL, you are so funny. You can't find anyone and realize you

kimdaddy35

8/22/18 11:37am

Nope. You continue to argue over something that the Rivals

Bostonblue

8/22/18 11:54am

If you can ball you get offers... It doesn't matter who they are committed too

BrutustheBrash

8/20/18 12:37pm

If you are one of the best players in the country that is true

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:40pm

I disagree. I don't say any clear recruiting advantage. I see his recruiting

Sandy Lyle

8/20/18 12:01pm

Sure. If you ignore all the evidence

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:17pm

All the evidence says Kalani has recruited worse than

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:27pm

The only evidence you need to look at is the improved quality

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:37pm

Funny as the goal this year is for 6 wins, that means our quality has

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:43pm

No. Health + experience + talent + schedule are the 4 elements to success

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:47pm

Actually coaching is the #1 indicator of success in college football

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:22pm

Is that why when Norm Chow went from USC to Hawaii

donnerstag

8/20/18 1:33pm

Norm Chow was the head coach at USC? I don't remember that.

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:03pm

He was the OC of an elite offense

donnerstag

8/20/18 2:09pm

You do realize that not every great coordinator makes a great HC?

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:10pm

Sure. But that doesn't mean he couldn't elevate the offense

donnerstag

8/20/18 2:25pm

Good coaching leads to more wins which almost always leads

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:31pm

"but it can't make a mediocre team into even average territory" umm that is the

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:47pm

That's a bit hyperbolic

donnerstag

8/20/18 3:04pm

What world are you living in?

Byu_1988

8/20/18 1:18pm

You do realize that the team traveled nearly half walkons last year

donnerstag

8/20/18 1:32pm

No, teams don't don't carry that many walkons

ALC

8/20/18 1:44pm

RE: No, teams don't don't carry that many walkons

donnerstag

8/20/18 1:51pm

So injuries to 13 out of 85

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:09pm

No. We ranked almost dead last in experience last year

donnerstag

8/20/18 2:23pm

We weren't high, but we also weren't close to dead last

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 4:04pm

I know you are an affirmed Bronco hater

ALC

8/20/18 1:36pm

OK,

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:10pm

OK, lets look at the "improved quality" of the position groups:

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:23pm

All that matters is wins and losses. Bronco at this point is better that way.

dodgersjazzcougs

8/20/18 3:15pm

Yea, but BM didn't have the worst loosing season in modern history. That honor

coolblue

8/20/18 3:20pm

You must have forgotten about 2003

donnerstag

8/20/18 3:25pm

2003 finished #68 compared to #112 last year.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 3:30pm

The distortion of reality about how Bronco is bad & Kalani good is fascinating

runnincoug

8/20/18 12:10pm

I've got to step in here. Bronco recruited really good LBs. His O-Line recruits

FanofBYU

8/20/18 3:01pm

hey, if you don't count Reynolds' boys, you can't count Kalani's "cousins"!

runnincoug

8/21/18 3:20am

He's only had 2 real years to recruit. Early signings would indicate that he

FanofBYU

8/23/18 12:52pm

RE: It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco

FairWeather-L.I.T.S.

8/20/18 1:47pm

RE: It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco

Gerald-DeGroot

8/20/18 4:46pm

Taysom Hill and Jamaal Williams - I'll buy that when he can put guys like

MajorPain

8/20/18 5:12pm

You know I sometimes joke about Bronco Derangement Syndrome, but this is the

BeardedSpock

8/20/18 6:19pm

Too objective

FairWeather-L.I.T.S.

8/21/18 4:02pm

So what do you base success if not performance/results?

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 11:39am

There are rides at theme parks I refuse to wait in line for.

Bert609

8/20/18 11:39am

Don't forget that he's already had 2.5 years.

BlueBeliever

8/20/18 12:17pm

Your standard is .500???

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:30pm

It is pathetic. In fact, I might not renew my tickets if we are .500 or below this year.

Bert609

8/20/18 1:11pm

Kalani has 2 years to fix this. He will get another pass this year from BYU.

WJCougar

8/20/18 11:41am

Remember, mediocre is 8-10 wins, not 4-6 wins.

coolblue

8/20/18 12:29pm

You are in for a lifetime of disappointment. The days of the old WAC...

Samurai Jack

8/20/18 1:26pm

3-5 more years? ha ha

mulletino

8/20/18 11:41am

BYU can go with another untested coordinator

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:47am

Would you not say last year the team was lost?

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 11:50am

The offense was lost

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:52am

The defense was abysmal.

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:58am

The defense was within the range of normal for BYU

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:00pm

Near dead last in pass defense? Nah.

SandYFan

8/20/18 12:38pm

That was par for the course in the old BYU days

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:49pm

Agree with you on this one

8cougar8

8/20/18 8:25pm

Without trying to sound hyperbolic, he may be our last hope.

kolob32

8/20/18 11:42am

This is my point. I think if he's fired our program takes a HUGE stop back.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 12:09pm

RE: Without trying to sound hyperbolic, he may be our last hope.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 1:19pm

until we get in a conference and put independence behind us, we are throwing

kolob32

8/20/18 1:26pm

Much of BYU's fanbase has become so delicate.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 1:30pm

I like to call it realistic

kolob32

8/20/18 1:37pm

What kind of players will he be able to recruit if BYU tanks again this year.

Brisco

8/20/18 11:47am

Kalani set his own standard. It is now just a touch above the detmer standard

youngbuck

8/20/18 11:53am

Yes, and Kalani should be held to the same standard he set for his coaches.

MajorPain

8/20/18 5:25pm

Almost agree — but don't believe he needs 3-5 MORE years if he fails to hit 6-6

Benfica1

8/20/18 11:56am

It's likely that Crowton would have put it all together in 2006

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:58am

It was possible. But, it was time for a change.

Benfica1

8/20/18 12:03pm

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WhiskeyCoug

8/20/18 12:06pm

You guys underestimate the need for a good coach

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:21pm

I didn't think Crowton was a good HC or should have be retained.

Benfica1

8/21/18 1:31pm

Wow - you said "likely" - about a coach that had only one winning

MajorPain

8/20/18 6:01pm

If you saw what the roster looked like in 2002

donnerstag

8/20/18 6:06pm

I agree as long as there is evidence that he’s learning from his mistakes.

Traveshamockery

8/20/18 12:05pm

Don't pay a guy more than $75,000 if he's going to make mistakes and take several years to learn from them.

Brisco

8/20/18 12:15pm

You need to take another look at supply/demand for BYU's HC position

GOR

8/20/18 1:22pm

There already is evidence of that

GOR

8/20/18 1:21pm

RE: Kalani: Ride it out.

WhiskeyCoug

8/20/18 12:07pm

5 wins, replace the defensive staff

whirl

8/20/18 12:10pm

One of the worst takes I have ever seen. Despite horrendous results

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:12pm

I know it's a rough take, but I think we will only get worse if he leaves.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 12:20pm

Of course we can. A good coach can turn things around quickly

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:25pm

I'm not sure how it can get worse than last year, he lost to UMass at home, and

califcougar

8/20/18 1:38pm

Absolutely agree with this take. 6 wins against the 2018 schedule is the floor.

boscatar

8/20/18 2:17pm

My thought as well - such a bad take. Time for BYU fans to have some pride.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 1:20pm

I gotta agree with kimdaddy on this one...

westsidecoug

8/20/18 3:04pm

Huh? His first year they were 9-4 with a bowl game win. His 2nd year

FanofBYU

8/20/18 3:19pm

I didn't say fire him now...I agree to let this season play out.

westsidecoug

8/20/18 3:31pm

Well put

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:05pm

I'm willing to start over today.

coolblue

8/20/18 12:24pm

Really? You don't even want to see how this season goes first?

BlueBeliever

8/20/18 12:28pm

Me too

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:02pm

Boy, the only thing I can agree with here is that I’m not looking forward to searching for another guy.

Refugee

8/20/18 1:12pm

Nope. He gets two more years tops including this season. If he hasn’t turned

mm73

8/20/18 1:26pm

Everyone knows my take on Kalani - he lacks the mental horsepower, discipline,

TeeKaa

8/20/18 1:54pm

Yup. We hired a DC from a 2-10 team. KS was at the very bottom of my wish list.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 2:08pm

Unfortunately the top and bottom of my realistic wish list aren't very far apart

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:53pm

Please. Oregon State was already in the toilet before he got there. They're

FanofBYU

8/20/18 3:02pm

And in just two yrs Kalani took a solid program to the toilet.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 3:57pm

One year is an anomaly. Let’s see what this season brings.

FanofBYU

8/21/18 11:50am

Sounds right

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:03pm

I have a beard

Prickly Heat

8/20/18 2:03pm

Great take. I would give him 2-3 more seasons.

partybog

8/20/18 3:24pm

I actually agree though last year's problems started to free like

CougaRR4L

8/20/18 4:01pm

RE: Kalani: Ride it out.

BuckeyeCougarCrumb

8/20/18 4:14pm

I can go along with 3yrs but not 5

kahuna

8/20/18 4:42pm

I guess I mean 3 from now, 5 total.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 4:46pm

Agreed

1HotCougar

8/20/18 5:08pm

Scary to see the number of POTD and thumbs up on this. Am I missing some satire

RugbyBYU

8/20/18 5:16pm

Don't think he'll succeed in the long run because of how he conducted himself...

MajorPain

8/20/18 7:00pm

You mean holding Detmer accountable for a terrible offense?

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 7:09pm

Looking forward to Holmoe holding Sitake accountable for a terrible season last

MajorPain

8/20/18 7:45pm

Said every Ty Detmer fan about Ty Detmer

Borg

8/20/18 7:26pm

So you'll call me a "Grimes fan" when I defend him after Kalani throws

MajorPain

8/20/18 10:00pm

I’d give Kalani 3 to 5 games not 3 to 5 seasons

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:01pm

Give Kalani 3-5 MORE years even if he's losing? No way. Zip. Nada. Nyet!

BleedCougarBlue2

8/20/18 8:37pm

I don't think it matters at this point.

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