It's likely that Crowton would have put it all together in 2006

Aug 20, 2018
11:58:40am

donnerstag All-American

and won nearly as many games as Bronco did. Bronco just had to put together a make shift defensive backfield and 90% of the rest of the recruits were already in place. He inherited a lot of experienced talent.

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Kalani: Ride it out.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 11:35am

So five more years of sub-.500 ball is okay by you? Wow.

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:37am

Comprehension fail

SUAVO

8/20/18 2:27pm

his board name checks out. A wise fan builds his house upon a...

icecougar

8/21/18 3:05am

I think we fail to look at level of opponents Kalani is facing

1984coug

8/20/18 3:08pm

Did you know: Bronco's schedules have been tougher than Kalani's?

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 5:24pm

This is the breakdown

donnerstag

8/20/18 5:31pm

5 of our opponents in 2017 spent time ranked in the CFP that season...

icecougar

8/21/18 3:18am

Didn't lose 9 games because we lost to top 25 teams.

Mr. Scoobs

8/21/18 8:51am

It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:37am

Um, it is?

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:39am

This metric means a lot more than recruiting averages

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:41am

I'd argue the metric is about who performs on the field for BYU. I don't

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:42am

The Sitake recruits are all underclassmen

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:44am

Right. Hope most of them pan out.

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:46am

It doesn't actually, Bronco's staff used to lock up kids

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:11pm

Sitake is locking players up early too

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:19pm

Sitake's early recruits leave. Bronco didn't have that problem. To your point

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:22pm

Not true. Top talent comes more often under Sitake

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:26pm

Why don't we go by actual recruiting rankings like the rest of the

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:28pm

No. Because recruiting rankings doesn't include transfers

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:32pm

So you are banking on our one time boost making us

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:42pm

90% of the commits came before the 4-9 season

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:49pm

you also need to realize that taking transfers actually hurts your

Bostonblue

8/20/18 12:55pm

I would completely agree except for the fact that we had 25+

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:58pm

you need to check your facts.

Bostonblue

8/20/18 1:42pm

RE: you need to check your facts.

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:06pm

like I said, check your facts. Some of those are transfers.

Bostonblue

8/20/18 2:59pm

Which were counted as signees and included in the rankings

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 3:53pm

transfers don't count in the rankings.

Bostonblue

8/20/18 3:56pm

Go take a look at the calculations and points and you will

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 4:01pm

no, you are wrong. Just like you were about thinking that RB is one of the

Bostonblue

8/20/18 4:26pm

That is some sound reasoning... in other words you can't justify anything

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 4:30pm

You’re asking me to prove to you common sense

Bostonblue

8/20/18 9:13pm

Look at the lists I gave you and tell me which ones they aren't

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 11:42am

all of the transfers. again, it's common sense, you can't change

Bostonblue

8/21/18 11:48am

Which ones, this isn't hard

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 11:51am

the rivals guys have confirmed it. the link you provided

Bostonblue

8/21/18 1:11pm

So none? That is what I thought.

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 1:31pm

Ha. You want me to prove up Rivals' calculations like I work for them?

Bostonblue

8/21/18 1:37pm

No take a look at this list and tell me which ones you think aren't

kimdaddy35

8/21/18 5:28pm

I'm completely baffled why you want me to rebut the source's own position

Bostonblue

8/21/18 5:39pm

LOL, you are so funny. You can't find anyone and realize you

kimdaddy35

8/22/18 11:37am

Nope. You continue to argue over something that the Rivals

Bostonblue

8/22/18 11:54am

If you can ball you get offers... It doesn't matter who they are committed too

BrutustheBrash

8/20/18 12:37pm

If you are one of the best players in the country that is true

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:40pm

I disagree. I don't say any clear recruiting advantage. I see his recruiting

Sandy Lyle

8/20/18 12:01pm

Sure. If you ignore all the evidence

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:17pm

All the evidence says Kalani has recruited worse than

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:27pm

The only evidence you need to look at is the improved quality

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:37pm

Funny as the goal this year is for 6 wins, that means our quality has

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:43pm

No. Health + experience + talent + schedule are the 4 elements to success

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:47pm

Actually coaching is the #1 indicator of success in college football

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:22pm

Is that why when Norm Chow went from USC to Hawaii

donnerstag

8/20/18 1:33pm

Norm Chow was the head coach at USC? I don't remember that.

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:03pm

He was the OC of an elite offense

donnerstag

8/20/18 2:09pm

You do realize that not every great coordinator makes a great HC?

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:10pm

Sure. But that doesn't mean he couldn't elevate the offense

donnerstag

8/20/18 2:25pm

Good coaching leads to more wins which almost always leads

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:31pm

"but it can't make a mediocre team into even average territory" umm that is the

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:47pm

That's a bit hyperbolic

donnerstag

8/20/18 3:04pm

What world are you living in?

Byu_1988

8/20/18 1:18pm

You do realize that the team traveled nearly half walkons last year

donnerstag

8/20/18 1:32pm

No, teams don't don't carry that many walkons

ALC

8/20/18 1:44pm

RE: No, teams don't don't carry that many walkons

donnerstag

8/20/18 1:51pm

So injuries to 13 out of 85

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 2:09pm

No. We ranked almost dead last in experience last year

donnerstag

8/20/18 2:23pm

We weren't high, but we also weren't close to dead last

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 4:04pm

I know you are an affirmed Bronco hater

ALC

8/20/18 1:36pm

OK,

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:10pm

OK, lets look at the "improved quality" of the position groups:

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:23pm

All that matters is wins and losses. Bronco at this point is better that way.

dodgersjazzcougs

8/20/18 3:15pm

Yea, but BM didn't have the worst loosing season in modern history. That honor

coolblue

8/20/18 3:20pm

You must have forgotten about 2003

donnerstag

8/20/18 3:25pm

2003 finished #68 compared to #112 last year.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 3:30pm

The distortion of reality about how Bronco is bad & Kalani good is fascinating

runnincoug

8/20/18 12:10pm

I've got to step in here. Bronco recruited really good LBs. His O-Line recruits

FanofBYU

8/20/18 3:01pm

hey, if you don't count Reynolds' boys, you can't count Kalani's "cousins"!

runnincoug

8/21/18 3:20am

He's only had 2 real years to recruit. Early signings would indicate that he

FanofBYU

8/23/18 12:52pm

RE: It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco

FairWeather-L.I.T.S.

8/20/18 1:47pm

RE: It's clear that he recruits better than Bronco

Gerald-DeGroot

8/20/18 4:46pm

Taysom Hill and Jamaal Williams - I'll buy that when he can put guys like

MajorPain

8/20/18 5:12pm

You know I sometimes joke about Bronco Derangement Syndrome, but this is the

BeardedSpock

8/20/18 6:19pm

Too objective

FairWeather-L.I.T.S.

8/21/18 4:02pm

So what do you base success if not performance/results?

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 11:39am

There are rides at theme parks I refuse to wait in line for.

Bert609

8/20/18 11:39am

Don't forget that he's already had 2.5 years.

BlueBeliever

8/20/18 12:17pm

Your standard is .500???

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:30pm

It is pathetic. In fact, I might not renew my tickets if we are .500 or below this year.

Bert609

8/20/18 1:11pm

Kalani has 2 years to fix this. He will get another pass this year from BYU.

WJCougar

8/20/18 11:41am

Remember, mediocre is 8-10 wins, not 4-6 wins.

coolblue

8/20/18 12:29pm

You are in for a lifetime of disappointment. The days of the old WAC...

Samurai Jack

8/20/18 1:26pm

3-5 more years? ha ha

mulletino

8/20/18 11:41am

BYU can go with another untested coordinator

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:47am

Would you not say last year the team was lost?

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 11:50am

The offense was lost

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:52am

The defense was abysmal.

SandYFan

8/20/18 11:58am

The defense was within the range of normal for BYU

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:00pm

Near dead last in pass defense? Nah.

SandYFan

8/20/18 12:38pm

That was par for the course in the old BYU days

donnerstag

8/20/18 12:49pm

Agree with you on this one

8cougar8

8/20/18 8:25pm

Without trying to sound hyperbolic, he may be our last hope.

kolob32

8/20/18 11:42am

This is my point. I think if he's fired our program takes a HUGE stop back.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 12:09pm

RE: Without trying to sound hyperbolic, he may be our last hope.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 1:19pm

until we get in a conference and put independence behind us, we are throwing

kolob32

8/20/18 1:26pm

Much of BYU's fanbase has become so delicate.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 1:30pm

I like to call it realistic

kolob32

8/20/18 1:37pm

What kind of players will he be able to recruit if BYU tanks again this year.

Brisco

8/20/18 11:47am

Kalani set his own standard. It is now just a touch above the detmer standard

youngbuck

8/20/18 11:53am

Yes, and Kalani should be held to the same standard he set for his coaches.

MajorPain

8/20/18 5:25pm

Almost agree — but don't believe he needs 3-5 MORE years if he fails to hit 6-6

Benfica1

8/20/18 11:56am

It's likely that Crowton would have put it all together in 2006

donnerstag

8/20/18 11:58am

It was possible. But, it was time for a change.

Benfica1

8/20/18 12:03pm

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WhiskeyCoug

8/20/18 12:06pm

You guys underestimate the need for a good coach

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:21pm

I didn't think Crowton was a good HC or should have be retained.

Benfica1

8/21/18 1:31pm

Wow - you said "likely" - about a coach that had only one winning

MajorPain

8/20/18 6:01pm

If you saw what the roster looked like in 2002

donnerstag

8/20/18 6:06pm

I agree as long as there is evidence that he’s learning from his mistakes.

Traveshamockery

8/20/18 12:05pm

Don't pay a guy more than $75,000 if he's going to make mistakes and take several years to learn from them.

Brisco

8/20/18 12:15pm

You need to take another look at supply/demand for BYU's HC position

GOR

8/20/18 1:22pm

There already is evidence of that

GOR

8/20/18 1:21pm

RE: Kalani: Ride it out.

WhiskeyCoug

8/20/18 12:07pm

5 wins, replace the defensive staff

whirl

8/20/18 12:10pm

One of the worst takes I have ever seen. Despite horrendous results

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:12pm

I know it's a rough take, but I think we will only get worse if he leaves.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 12:20pm

Of course we can. A good coach can turn things around quickly

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:25pm

I'm not sure how it can get worse than last year, he lost to UMass at home, and

califcougar

8/20/18 1:38pm

Absolutely agree with this take. 6 wins against the 2018 schedule is the floor.

boscatar

8/20/18 2:17pm

My thought as well - such a bad take. Time for BYU fans to have some pride.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 1:20pm

I gotta agree with kimdaddy on this one...

westsidecoug

8/20/18 3:04pm

Huh? His first year they were 9-4 with a bowl game win. His 2nd year

FanofBYU

8/20/18 3:19pm

I didn't say fire him now...I agree to let this season play out.

westsidecoug

8/20/18 3:31pm

Well put

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:05pm

I'm willing to start over today.

coolblue

8/20/18 12:24pm

Really? You don't even want to see how this season goes first?

BlueBeliever

8/20/18 12:28pm

Me too

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:02pm

Boy, the only thing I can agree with here is that I’m not looking forward to searching for another guy.

Refugee

8/20/18 1:12pm

Nope. He gets two more years tops including this season. If he hasn’t turned

mm73

8/20/18 1:26pm

Everyone knows my take on Kalani - he lacks the mental horsepower, discipline,

TeeKaa

8/20/18 1:54pm

Yup. We hired a DC from a 2-10 team. KS was at the very bottom of my wish list.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 2:08pm

Unfortunately the top and bottom of my realistic wish list aren't very far apart

Gorum the Old

8/20/18 2:53pm

Please. Oregon State was already in the toilet before he got there. They're

FanofBYU

8/20/18 3:02pm

And in just two yrs Kalani took a solid program to the toilet.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 3:57pm

One year is an anomaly. Let’s see what this season brings.

FanofBYU

8/21/18 11:50am

Sounds right

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:03pm

I have a beard

Prickly Heat

8/20/18 2:03pm

Great take. I would give him 2-3 more seasons.

partybog

8/20/18 3:24pm

I actually agree though last year's problems started to free like

CougaRR4L

8/20/18 4:01pm

RE: Kalani: Ride it out.

BuckeyeCougarCrumb

8/20/18 4:14pm

I can go along with 3yrs but not 5

kahuna

8/20/18 4:42pm

I guess I mean 3 from now, 5 total.

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 4:46pm

Agreed

1HotCougar

8/20/18 5:08pm

Scary to see the number of POTD and thumbs up on this. Am I missing some satire

RugbyBYU

8/20/18 5:16pm

Don't think he'll succeed in the long run because of how he conducted himself...

MajorPain

8/20/18 7:00pm

You mean holding Detmer accountable for a terrible offense?

BeardedCougar

8/20/18 7:09pm

Looking forward to Holmoe holding Sitake accountable for a terrible season last

MajorPain

8/20/18 7:45pm

Said every Ty Detmer fan about Ty Detmer

Borg

8/20/18 7:26pm

So you'll call me a "Grimes fan" when I defend him after Kalani throws

MajorPain

8/20/18 10:00pm

I’d give Kalani 3 to 5 games not 3 to 5 seasons

Coogar2

8/20/18 8:01pm

Give Kalani 3-5 MORE years even if he's losing? No way. Zip. Nada. Nyet!

BleedCougarBlue2

8/20/18 8:37pm

I don't think it matters at this point.

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