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Feb 11, 2019
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OceanMang
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You'd be surprised at the very bright businessmen, engineers, LEOs etc
who smoke from time-to-time or on a regular basis but keep it on the downlow because of the stigma.
Those folks you know who are fried most likely have something else going on.
Also, it should be: their brains Maybe someone should go hit there bong?
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I remember in the 90's when Big Tobacco's reckoning came
Linescratcher
2/11/19 11:00am
that's almost exactly how i feel. good post.
riboflavin
2/11/19 11:02am
the medical science behind it really is sparse.. mostly because it hasn't been
cougfanz
2/11/19 11:04am
Exactly. Believe we'll see limited benefits for a very small, specific population but pretty significant
soupie
2/11/19 11:11am
Maybe. BUT the research you linked to and from the OP article
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 12:50pm
Don't believe we ever talked about addictive properties. It would most likely be psychological anyway.
soupie
2/11/19 1:07pm
This is what is maddening.
bluecheese
2/11/19 11:14am
But there are countries where it is legal.
autonomous
2/11/19 11:16am
Too much effort. Too busy chillin and snackin.
soupie
2/11/19 11:18am
Probably all about the $. Research is expensive, street mj is cheap.
bluecheese
2/11/19 11:18am
dont' quote me but i've heard that >95% of worldwide drug funding is by US
cougfanz
2/11/19 11:23am
also, research $ is invested for discovery of new drugs. Do not expect a lot
runnincoug
2/11/19 1:24pm
The Fed needs to re classify it today so it can be researched more thouroighly
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 11:45am
Reclass wont do it. Its too avail in dark and lit markets. NIH should do it.
BostonCougar
2/11/19 12:00pm
My son has severe epilepsy, and my wife and I were the primary plowhorses behind
PGVikingDad
2/11/19 11:59am
glad your son is doing better.. i would be interested in reading the study
cougfanz
2/11/19 12:09pm
Should've pointed out that the study was conducted by the University of Utah.
PGVikingDad
2/11/19 12:26pm
CBD has a lot of benefits, but really ≠ marijuana as most people know it
jkccoug
2/12/19 9:59am
Don't be too quick to dismiss the potential of THC. It is necessary for efficacy
PGVikingDad
2/12/19 11:11am
Amen
Slim
2/11/19 11:13am
I'm not overstating things to say that I am an expert regarding MMJ, and while I
PGVikingDad
2/11/19 11:29am
De classify and ler the research prove it.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 11:48am
"Can outpace...at times?" Understatement of the year.
cracka
2/11/19 11:49am
yes the cannabdiols can be very helpful, but no need to smoke MMJ
nwcat
2/11/19 12:08pm
Smoke? Correct.
PGVikingDad
2/11/19 12:26pm
This is one of my two issues with legal MJ in my state: 1. smoking THC is harmful to virtually everyone,even if it holds
SaturdaySpecialDay
2/11/19 12:52pm
After a review of research let me correct you.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:07pm
What are your sources for your assertions? Also, you are bringing up issues that I did not (ie addiction)
SaturdaySpecialDay
2/11/19 2:14pm
You mentioned Consequence(s) and risk(s) in addition to the schizophrenia
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 3:46pm
Ljung czancer, ubstrfuctve ljung dzize, cardyovasc dzize, acute Psychozis (nut schizophrnya)
SaturdaySpecialDay
2/11/19 4:19pm
Oh good..so all things with no proven links. Hopefully
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 11:44pm
You high now?
Blue2thebone
2/12/19 1:49am
Liquor is even worse IMO. Yet the FDA looks the other way
Croweater
2/11/19 11:42am
Actually the research proves your opinion is correct in many areas.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:07pm
Great post. Especially when it comes to smoking MJ. Why all of a sudden we are good with
Virginia Ute
2/11/19 11:48am
I am no expert here but from what I understand the major issue with cigs is all
OceanMang
2/11/19 12:17pm
Nope. There is nothing harmless about marijuana smoke
BeardedSpock
2/11/19 1:02pm
Exactly. It’s a fact that smoke in the lungs is not good. No debate there.
Virginia Ute
2/11/19 1:12pm
Correct....but at what rates? Water in the lings isnt either.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:19pm
Water in the lungs? I don’t get that comparison.
Virginia Ute
2/11/19 2:24pm
Smoking cigarettes...pipe different impact. Cigars..different effect..mj,
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 7:26pm
Yeah. Like I said. Smoke is bad for the lungs. Period.
Virginia Ute
2/11/19 7:35pm
Correct. Some smoking inhalants are worse than others.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 8:12pm
Somewhere between bad for you and really bad for you.
Virginia Ute
2/11/19 8:25pm
Yep, which why aspirating water is bad.
thecthdox
2/11/19 6:33pm
Cancer from MJ is something that I believe has affected my family.
Cachanilla83
2/11/19 1:13pm
Could very well be..but he could also be an outlier..or he could be. Utah
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:21pm
I believe if you isolate the chemicals w/ therapeutic value to be administered in better methods
soupie
2/11/19 1:25pm
Yes it needs reclassification immediately. Rec use and med use are separate
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:27pm
Hard to draw those conclusions w/o better testing.
soupie
2/11/19 4:43pm
I can find a plethora of reputable scientific articles that promote both sides
OceanMang
2/11/19 2:14pm
Well, I agree with you that marijuana should be studied more
BeardedSpock
2/11/19 7:21pm
This is my thinking as well.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 7:25pm
Legalizing it for use isn't necessary for research. In fact, that would be pretty dangerous. It does need to
soupie
2/11/19 7:25pm
You mean that "coukd" be pretty dangerous. Though
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 7:35pm
Legalizing it would remove the stigma and eliminate the black market. More
BeardedSpock
2/11/19 7:37pm
Cart before horse.
soupie
2/11/19 7:44pm
Perhaps. I can agree with that to an extent.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 8:12pm
Incense...I wouldn' doubt what you are saying is true,can you Verif with a coupl
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:14pm
As I noted above, it all depends on the dosage. And most pot smokers probably
BeardedSpock
2/11/19 7:23pm
And I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that living in Utah raises your
BeardedSpock
2/11/19 7:32pm
Smoking MJ would be a significant risk for airway diseases
Ernie
2/12/19 11:07am
Yeah. Im not sure why smoking would be b3st,bu5 its possible
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:09pm
I’ve lost a nephew and two ward members over the years to opioid overdose
USMCdad
2/11/19 12:00pm
My prediction is that medical MJ will not replace opioids as a viable option for sever pain control.
Virginia Ute
2/11/19 12:02pm
Totally? Of course not too much variability in people.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:30pm
Brother, I don’t understand what you’re sayin here.
Virginia Ute
2/11/19 2:45pm
400ish Utah opiod deaths in Utah last year. 0 MJ deaths.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:29pm
An estimated 440 people in Utah will die from lung cancer this year.
autonomous
2/11/19 2:52pm
Your last your last statement is irresponsible. Imo.Whicj is why i 4jonk
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 3:40pm
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MMCougIII
2/11/19 3:51pm
No I dont and have stated I dont. I also dont want to overstate its impact.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 4:05pm
Im the one seeking data. You seem fine with throwing out unsustantiated claims
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 4:11pm
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MMCougIII
2/11/19 4:16pm
Here’s what UW thinks.
autonomous
2/11/19 10:40pm
Apparently UW doesn't think much of anything.
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 11:34pm
So anout 70 from non smokers..
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 3:41pm
I see people who have smoked pot. There brains just don’t work correctly or as
Powerbait DPM studnt
2/11/19 12:22pm
It’s interesting because i used to think that as well
USMCdad
2/11/19 12:31pm
You'd be surprised at the very bright businessmen, engineers, LEOs etc
OceanMang
2/11/19 12:33pm
Maybe. But my grandpa smoked a pack a day and lived to 100 years old. Does that
rcbyufan
2/11/19 12:36pm
Anecdotes rarely mean anything. I can show you hundreds of abnormal lung function tests in smokers who
SaturdaySpecialDay
2/11/19 12:48pm
That's what I'm saying with MJ. My grandpa smoking a pack a day for 90 years
rcbyufan
2/11/19 1:25pm
The point of bringing sucessful people up is that not all people who smoke weed are brain dead pot heads.
Zilog
2/11/19 1:51pm
Fair enough. That's why I said maybe in my original post. Let's get some real
rcbyufan
2/11/19 2:48pm
Watch Joe Rogan and get back to me with your anectdotal evidence
CarolinaCoug
2/11/19 2:34pm
What we do know about marijuana is that it over-activates the endocannabinoid
Ernie
2/12/19 11:14am
Behold modern day snake oil.
thecthdox
2/11/19 6:31pm
Largest pot study of which I'm aware, came out recently, and says:
canofpicante
2/11/19 9:20pm
Well that puts a damper on things.
BYUALWAYSNUM1
2/11/19 9:49pm
Not if you read the study.
CarolinaCoug
2/12/19 12:04am
It was 1514 participants and only 24%,295 in 4 yesrs
CarolinaCoug
2/12/19 12:03am
Agreed. I think people are only this enthusiastic about it because it's weed
Resurgens
2/11/19 9:46pm
1. I have never used mj. 2. I want more research. 3. I dont think anything is
CarolinaCoug
2/12/19 12:18am
In particular, lighting up a plant and breathing in the smoke WILL cause cancer
jkccoug
2/12/19 9:58am
*will lead to a higher risk of cancer, not a guarantee
CDV
2/12/19 10:33am
That's true. Plenty of smokers don't get cancer
jkccoug
2/12/19 11:52am
Most people, that I know of, don't actually smoke the plant they use vape pens or edibles.
Zilog
2/12/19 11:12am
Qell.this research says NO. LINK
CarolinaCoug
2/12/19 11:48am
I don't think it says no. It says "it hasn't been proven" and also notes that MJ
jkccoug
2/12/19 11:58am
you realize what that is saying right? Yes and yet no cancer link
CarolinaCoug
2/12/19 12:47pm
I think you misunderstand how these studies work
jkccoug
2/12/19 2:19pm
This qas a review of reseaexh if you arenredereing to the
CarolinaCoug
2/12/19 3:03pm
You have it reversed. It is not a 95% proof that MJ doesn’t cause cancer
jkccoug
2/13/19 7:15am
You're right.
CarolinaCoug
2/13/19 10:38am
This statement from your link is pretty unambiguous:
NewMexiCoug
2/14/19 6:55am
Yup. It is and? Im not sure you are understanding my position. Ever been to Ca?
CarolinaCoug
2/14/19 12:03pm
The research says you may be incorrect LINK
CarolinaCoug
2/12/19 12:21pm
Some thoughts/things to consider:
Ernie
2/12/19 11:29am
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