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Jan 9, 2020
9:36:21am

Ham All-American

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Ham

Previous username: ajosepholsen
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Joined: May 4, 2006
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Jay Drew on 1280. Quote..."BYU fans should lower their expectations..." lol...

Mathew

1/8/20 9:22am

*beet rider

foofcoug

1/8/20 9:23am

RE: *beet rider

TheWanderer

1/8/20 9:34am

an honest one.

shimmy

1/8/20 9:23am

Agreed it's a weird thing for a beat writer to say. But...is he wrong?

macdizzle

1/8/20 9:23am

RE: Jay Drew on 1280. Quote..."BYU fans should lower their expectations..."

1/8/20 9:24am

One that sees the program for what it is.

1/8/20 9:24am

exactly. keeping it real

run26

1/8/20 11:04am

With Kalani as HC.... he's absolutely right.

yorksama

1/8/20 9:26am

Agreed.

guitarplayingcougar

1/8/20 1:02pm

If fans have to lower expectations then the coach should be gone

CaliWG

1/8/20 9:26am

If we're going to schedule 5-7 P5 teams a year, while still not being in a P5 conference and with larger

Indy Coug

1/8/20 9:36am

But should fans expect to lose most G5 games we play on the road too?

1/8/20 9:39am

Probably not the expectations he's suggesting be lowered.

basman

1/8/20 9:56am

I haven't seen many fans upset with many other things

1/8/20 9:58am

That's the thing, its not about the P5 games

CaliWG

1/8/20 9:41am

The thing is, it's irrelevant about the non-P5 games because if you play that many P5 games, you're

Indy Coug

1/8/20 9:47am

Ah, the "we were beat up" excuse

1/8/20 9:51am

Did you see the Hawaii WRs just blowing by everyone we had on defense?

Indy Coug

1/8/20 9:52am

I saw our running back blowing through their DL and yet we decided to throw the

1/8/20 9:54am

So wait, now even the MWC has passed us by athletically?

TheWanderer

1/8/20 9:55am

Ummm.... you act as if we owned the MWC. BYU had only 3 outright championships in the MWC

Indy Coug

1/8/20 10:02am

BYU also played in a different MWC. Outside of BSU, the MWC is worse now.

TheWanderer

1/8/20 10:07am

By the time we hit SDSU and Hawaii, we hadn't played a P5 in 9+ weeks.

TheWanderer

1/8/20 9:53am

Did you fail to notice we were down to the bottom of our RB depth chart? We had to move Allgeier back from LB

Indy Coug

1/8/20 9:56am

yeah, and Allgeier was gashing Hawaii. Why not give him the ball?

TheWanderer

1/8/20 9:58am

"Success" isn't defined by an annual win total in Independence

CaliWG

1/8/20 9:59am

Our schedule as it turns out has not been that tough.

coolblue

1/8/20 10:36am

That's because there are plenty of bad P5 teams

CaliWG

1/8/20 10:43am

Through the USU game this year, BYU's SOS was the 12th toughest nationally

Indy Coug

1/8/20 10:53am

You are using smoke and mirrors to take attention away from the real issue.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/8/20 3:15pm

If BYU can't even expect to beat USF and Toledo.....that's bad.

TheWanderer

1/8/20 9:43am

Yes, but who is going to fire the coach? Our favorite AD who skips out on media

Ash

1/8/20 2:04pm

Someone who has a pretty good grasp of the current reality of the program

Indy Coug

1/8/20 9:27am

From what to what?

Archaea

1/8/20 9:28am

Weren’t we sold on Independence as a chance to constantly play big programs and

Dynasty1

1/8/20 9:29am

RE: Jay Drew on 1280. Quote..."BYU fans should lower their expectations..."

DapperDan

1/8/20 9:31am

yep. should have taken this advice since 2010 when we went independent.

idacoug

1/8/20 9:32am

Well some fans do need to lower their expectations

ReggaeCoug

1/8/20 9:33am

If expectations were much lower, BYU would be a perennial 4-8 team.

TheWanderer

1/8/20 9:35am

As soon as fans do that, the program is a goner because it is that external pressure that forces BYU to be better.

1/8/20 9:35am

I am not arguing this point, but I believe external pressure is less and less relevant to decisions at BYU.....

Bonoman

1/8/20 12:37pm

He's not wrong

RockyBalboa

1/8/20 9:43am

Yes he is. Expectations drove greatness

BYU '80

1/8/20 12:49pm

This has been the motto of the Kalani Era

stansburycoug

1/8/20 9:44am

Replace "the Kalani Era" with "this century" - the Vegas Bowl, and bowls of like import, have been the absolute ceiling

foofcoug

1/8/20 10:00am

My expectations of Jay are already pretty low

deljdc

1/8/20 9:51am

Um, he's right. We should.

Ham

1/8/20 9:55am

My expectations were to win 8 games. Rather than me lowering my expectations,

andrewg3

1/8/20 10:17am

Hes right

Backcountry

1/8/20 10:32am

That is the KS effect.

coolblue

1/8/20 10:40am

He's merely repeating what he's hearing from TH

argus

1/8/20 10:47am

One that is correct...

CoachSpeak

1/8/20 10:51am

- Signed, Tom Holmoe - who extended a sub.500 coach against FBS opponents.

SpiffCoug

1/8/20 11:03am

Huh? Fans of every school, by definition, have unrealistic expectations....it's what we do! SEE: Yewt fans.

Thibious

1/8/20 11:35am

Taysom stays healthy in 2015, we go 13-1, and this is a different conversation.

nc-puma

1/8/20 11:35am

Or undefeated in 2014 for that matter. We were undefeated until Taysom got hurt

gmj81

1/8/20 12:49pm

But USU was winning that game when Taysom went down. I don't agree that injury

Forzaitalia

1/9/20 10:02pm

BYU was having an atypically bad year on defense that year no doubt but taysom

gmj81

1/9/20 10:44pm

So maybe we should turn in the 1984 trophy? A stupid thing to write. But par...

ImuaKahuku

1/8/20 11:44am

We have lowered our expectations. A lot. Is he saying we should lower them even

1/8/20 12:31pm

Yes. He actually did say that.

Mathew

1/8/20 12:40pm

to what level? Should we be satisfied with just participating and maybe

Archaea

1/8/20 12:43pm

I believe anywhere from 6 to 7, maybe 8 win seasons. I would have to go back and

Mathew

1/8/20 1:53pm

That's the same disclaimer I read to myself before I read any of JD's articles.

cosmohio

1/8/20 1:28pm

That's the key to happiness

a priori

1/8/20 2:37pm

Signed, Mrs a priori

1/8/20 5:17pm

Maybe Jay should lower his expections come pay day.

Count Cougar

1/8/20 3:17pm

Honest question

hereforlaughs

1/8/20 4:50pm

Oh to embrace mediocrity/be happy/just give up

Lombardi

1/8/20 6:54pm

Phenomenal post.

1/9/20 1:52am

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1/9/20 1:50am

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Ham

1/9/20 9:36am

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