And do we want enough people getting sick now up to hospital capacity to avoid a

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Mar 29, 2020
10:07:40am

Odysseus Truly Addicted User

big spike a month from now?

Or is the goal right now to have as few people get sick as possible?

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Time

Flattening the curve seems like a myth to me

korihor

3/29/20 10:02am

epidemiological statisticians disagree. There are several models

Archaea

3/29/20 10:06am

2-3 months?

HRCougar

3/29/20 10:09am

When you have two bad options, you take the least bad.

Archaea

3/29/20 10:16am

There are more than 2 options.

boogers

3/29/20 10:18am

I choose the false dichotomy.

cracka

3/29/20 10:52am

you just don't want to "save lives" over saving your 401k

boogers

3/29/20 11:01am

Would make economic damage>>>>lives saved

boogers

3/29/20 10:17am

And do we want enough people getting sick now up to hospital capacity to avoid a

Odysseus

3/29/20 10:07am

It's shocking to me that vaccines have been around since the 1800's and it

Harbinger

3/29/20 10:07am

It doesn't. The FDA does.

Backcountry

3/29/20 10:08am

You would think in the midst of a pandemic they'd cut all the red tape.

Harbinger

3/29/20 10:09am

I've seen enough zombie movies to know this could be a problem.

svenot

3/29/20 10:11am

Sadly I think this is exactly why the public isn't asking for the FDA's head

Harbinger

3/29/20 10:12am

This is untrue. There are shortcuts but to allow a vaccine to be used

Archaea

3/29/20 10:11am

Compassionate use is a shortcut that can be used. Link.

Archaea

3/29/20 10:14am

Did that in 1974 for the Swine flu and the live vaccine killed a bunch of people

bluelands

3/29/20 10:21am

It's not 1974 anymore.

Harbinger

3/29/20 10:24am

^^This guy volunteers to be the first test subject.

SPgoofyft

3/29/20 11:06am

I already have it lol

Harbinger

3/29/20 11:10am

Some just liked Jimmy Carter's accent. Personally, I thought he was nutty.

CougarThug

3/29/20 12:01pm

Peanutty

pegushin

3/29/20 1:23pm

If this was killing say 10% or more across all demographics they would

ABCoug

3/29/20 11:17am

Unless you are fixated on intermediate endpoints, you need time to

Archaea

3/29/20 10:10am

What’s more shocking is the number of people who refuse to get the ones we

Nakedbootleg

3/29/20 11:13am

The answer all along has been to beef up ICU capacity, let people go about their

Backcountry

3/29/20 10:07am

That sounds a bit sloppy but we could modify the German

Archaea

3/29/20 10:28am

Nursing home access in ID was restricted three weeks ago.

CougarThug

3/29/20 12:04pm

How do you beef up ICU capacity?

BYU'01

3/29/20 11:24am

Start manufacturing new machines early and utilize OR ventilators as needed.

Backcountry

3/29/20 11:26am

None of which builds the buildings necessary to hold all those icu beds

BYU '80

3/29/20 1:09pm

Theres nothing special about an icu bed. Any unut can be turned into overflow.

Backcountry

3/29/20 1:34pm

Uh not really. Might be true in some cases but not like you imagine.

BYU '80

3/29/20 5:53pm

Best answer is not to put people in the icu. Case fatality is uncertain but

StalwartBraveTrue

3/29/20 11:26am

Doesnt compare to the economic toll this is taking.

Backcountry

3/29/20 11:27am

That’s not the point.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/29/20 3:49pm

What is the smartest way to go?

Stalwartbob

3/29/20 11:28am

Social distancing. Slow transmission. Give science time to find an answer.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/29/20 3:51pm

This is the point of it. Just need enough slowdown to get the ICUs ready with

Resurgens

3/29/20 2:46pm

Except less people would "go about their business than you would think"

hardcorecoug

3/30/20 3:32pm

Would China be reopening Wuhan if the threat

bald man

3/29/20 10:10am

Yes. The idea that China values human life is laughable.

Harbinger

3/29/20 10:12am

They may not value it like a western society, but they

bald man

3/29/20 10:18am

They won't. There's nothing about this that can cost them anything.

Harbinger

3/29/20 10:25am

True. China doesn't care but doesn't wish to lose face with the world.

Archaea

3/29/20 10:30am

I imagine it is still running through China rapidly.....

beauso79

3/29/20 11:29am

The Chinese people don't believe their own government's CV-19 propaganda

CougarThug

3/29/20 12:07pm

It’s a hoax

Stalwartbob

3/29/20 12:18pm

All they have to do is use their defective tests. They can say they are testing

N8Dawg

3/29/20 3:59pm

I'm very optimistic actually

CSoul

3/29/20 10:15am

I agree with most of that, but I think NYC was late to the quarantine game.

coug almighty

3/29/20 10:31am

Kept the subway system open....

Benfica1

3/29/20 10:36am

The last part of my post addressed that. Doing it earlier

CSoul

3/29/20 10:36am

Minor point of contention with first sentence of second paragraph

Resurgens

3/29/20 2:48pm

What about NY has turned/peaked?

BYU'01

3/29/20 3:48pm

This video is worth your time to help understand various factors

Indy Coug

3/29/20 10:18am

a couple comments

korihor

3/29/20 1:40pm

Quick, mandatory testing of everyone admitted to a public event to the rescue.

JmThms

3/30/20 7:41am

I think widespread, regular testing is key. I could see normal life partially

Hypnotoad

3/29/20 10:36am

Or just use a temperature check and everyone knows to check every morning

ABCoug

3/29/20 11:21am

Agreed

BYU '80

3/29/20 1:16pm

This. The church asked my missionary son to check every morning and evening.

Benfica1

3/29/20 1:36pm

Why did the loving, merciful God make/let this happen?

Stalwartbob

3/29/20 11:23am

Answer: Because w/o struggle & difficulty there is no growth. Period.

BleedCougarBlue2

3/29/20 3:08pm

This may be difficult for people

AZ Coug

3/30/20 12:12am

It is difficult for me and I have a question or two regarding your theory

Stalwartbob

3/30/20 2:26am

History and the scriptures are full of examples of famine, war & pestilence

Benfica1

3/30/20 8:24am

You are correct, life happens.

Stalwartbob

3/30/20 11:00am

Ask him yourself.

Benfica1

3/30/20 11:18am

Sorry to hear about your Father, smoking is a terrible habit.

Stalwartbob

3/30/20 12:07pm

The main point of flattening the curve isn't to reduce the total number of cases

mudpupper

3/29/20 11:50am

If you want to educate yourself: watch this to learn the math and why/how

flyzag

3/29/20 11:50am

It's kind of a hit or myth proposition anyway.

CougarThug

3/29/20 11:56am

Myth or not

Zoobieman

3/29/20 1:02pm

Boardname checks out.

StalwartBraveTrue

3/29/20 5:00pm

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