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valleus
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True, but nobody believes the best way to fund r&d is with a wildly inefficient
healthcare system. Why not dramatically increase NIH funding/grants?
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US $ per capita health spending: $9400. Spain: $2965. Slovenia: $2697
valleus
6/30/20 10:17am
Define "better healthcare outcomes"
Indy Coug
6/30/20 10:18am
Life expectancy for one. Probably the biggest.
valleus
6/30/20 10:33am
Is that a healthcare issue or a lifestyle issue? I mean, there's only so much self-abuse healthcare can negate/treat
Indy Coug
6/30/20 10:34am
I agree. Either way it implies we should spend far less on healthcare.
valleus
6/30/20 10:40am
Mandatory diet and exercise would increase life expectancy more than $$ on HC
Druick
6/30/20 10:42am
Those countries have less technology expenses, hence the lower cost. And why they have lower outcomes.
Turnpike Lane
6/30/20 10:20am
Apples and oranges, as usual with this argument.
SandYFan
6/30/20 10:24am
Not really. If you don’t compare the US to Canada, France, Japan, and oh the
valleus
6/30/20 10:35am
We consume healthcare differently. We want the best and we want it immediatel.
Ozymandias
6/30/20 10:39am
And we don't want our very sick parents and grandparents to die...
Druick
6/30/20 10:43am
How much do those countries spend on end of life care? How about elective
kotacoug
6/30/20 12:50pm
I'll take Oversimplifications for 1000, Alex
Adrielle
6/30/20 10:24am
Where dying early is defined as a positive. I have no idea I’m just making that
SouthernBlueBlood
6/30/20 10:30am
this is really an unfair and ignorant comparison. The data is much more nuanced.
Idahofallsblue
6/30/20 10:41am
Comparing to other G20 countries is as fair as it can get.
valleus
6/30/20 10:49am
Now go and compare average house size, number of cars per family, number of toys
Idahofallsblue
6/30/20 10:56am
Now that’s apples to oranges. The US is a much richer and nicer country than
valleus
6/30/20 12:08pm
The tells me you have no interest in an actual discussion.
Adrielle
6/30/20 11:10am
RE: US $ per capita health spending: $9400. Spain: $2965. Slovenia: $2697
Rogue Gunner
6/30/20 10:48am
It was a long time ago when I did the analysis, but a lot of the difference in longevity went away
Indy Coug
6/30/20 10:56am
Very interesting.
Rogue Gunner
6/30/20 11:20am
Great points and I agree.
valleus
6/30/20 12:10pm
Brent james is pretty much responsible for IHCs overall quality and was my prof
Druick
6/30/20 11:05am
The slide deck is halfway down the article FYI
Druick
6/30/20 11:09am
Where would you rather get sick, have surgery, etc.?
Rhubarb
6/30/20 11:13am
One big issue we are missing in this oversimplifications are the medical advances that happen in the United States.
JohnnyComeLately
6/30/20 11:21am
True, but nobody believes the best way to fund r&d is with a wildly inefficient
valleus
6/30/20 12:13pm
And it’s certainly not by doubling down on government funding.
kotacoug
6/30/20 12:35pm
Wildly inefficient is a great way to describe any Government run program.
JohnnyComeLately
6/30/20 12:35pm
Great point.
kotacoug
6/30/20 12:28pm
I have no faith that our government could actually reduce that U.S. number
Doogal McCougar
6/30/20 12:18pm
I am interested in the discussion of responsible Medicare expansion options...
Doogal McCougar
6/30/20 12:35pm
As a provider I like this idea because I could retire much sooner
Idahofallsblue
6/30/20 12:41pm
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