Now that’s apples to oranges. The US is a much richer and nicer country than

Jun 30, 2020
12:08:37pm

valleus Truly Addicted User

most other G20 countries. No argument there. That’s irrelevant to the fact that we spend far more per capita and have worse or comparable outcomes.

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US $ per capita health spending: $9400. Spain: $2965. Slovenia: $2697

valleus

6/30/20 10:17am

Define "better healthcare outcomes"

Indy Coug

6/30/20 10:18am

Life expectancy for one. Probably the biggest.

valleus

6/30/20 10:33am

Is that a healthcare issue or a lifestyle issue? I mean, there's only so much self-abuse healthcare can negate/treat

Indy Coug

6/30/20 10:34am

I agree. Either way it implies we should spend far less on healthcare.

valleus

6/30/20 10:40am

Mandatory diet and exercise would increase life expectancy more than $$ on HC

Druick

6/30/20 10:42am

Those countries have less technology expenses, hence the lower cost. And why they have lower outcomes.

Turnpike Lane

6/30/20 10:20am

Apples and oranges, as usual with this argument.

SandYFan

6/30/20 10:24am

Not really. If you don’t compare the US to Canada, France, Japan, and oh the

valleus

6/30/20 10:35am

We consume healthcare differently. We want the best and we want it immediatel.

Ozymandias

6/30/20 10:39am

And we don't want our very sick parents and grandparents to die...

Druick

6/30/20 10:43am

How much do those countries spend on end of life care? How about elective

kotacoug

6/30/20 12:50pm

I'll take Oversimplifications for 1000, Alex

Adrielle

6/30/20 10:24am

Where dying early is defined as a positive. I have no idea I’m just making that

SouthernBlueBlood

6/30/20 10:30am

this is really an unfair and ignorant comparison. The data is much more nuanced.

Idahofallsblue

6/30/20 10:41am

Comparing to other G20 countries is as fair as it can get.

valleus

6/30/20 10:49am

Now go and compare average house size, number of cars per family, number of toys

Idahofallsblue

6/30/20 10:56am

Now that’s apples to oranges. The US is a much richer and nicer country than

valleus

6/30/20 12:08pm

The tells me you have no interest in an actual discussion.

Adrielle

6/30/20 11:10am

RE: US $ per capita health spending: $9400. Spain: $2965. Slovenia: $2697

Rogue Gunner

6/30/20 10:48am

It was a long time ago when I did the analysis, but a lot of the difference in longevity went away

Indy Coug

6/30/20 10:56am

Very interesting.

Rogue Gunner

6/30/20 11:20am

Great points and I agree.

valleus

6/30/20 12:10pm

Brent james is pretty much responsible for IHCs overall quality and was my prof

Druick

6/30/20 11:05am

The slide deck is halfway down the article FYI

Druick

6/30/20 11:09am

Where would you rather get sick, have surgery, etc.?

Rhubarb

6/30/20 11:13am

One big issue we are missing in this oversimplifications are the medical advances that happen in the United States.

JohnnyComeLately

6/30/20 11:21am

True, but nobody believes the best way to fund r&d is with a wildly inefficient

valleus

6/30/20 12:13pm

And it’s certainly not by doubling down on government funding.

kotacoug

6/30/20 12:35pm

Wildly inefficient is a great way to describe any Government run program.

JohnnyComeLately

6/30/20 12:35pm

Great point.

kotacoug

6/30/20 12:28pm

I have no faith that our government could actually reduce that U.S. number

Doogal McCougar

6/30/20 12:18pm

I am interested in the discussion of responsible Medicare expansion options...

Doogal McCougar

6/30/20 12:35pm

As a provider I like this idea because I could retire much sooner

Idahofallsblue

6/30/20 12:41pm

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