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Dec 3, 2022
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Yeah, I bet we we hate B 2 B conference championships and Rose Bowl games.
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Kyle W is Utah Football
Hawk Talons
12/3/22 7:50am
"holds people accountable" LOL
Gustav
12/3/22 7:51am
For football related issues, yes. Other stuff….lol
mudpupper
12/3/22 7:54am
Especially Wyoming.
Orem58thBall
12/3/22 12:21pm
RE: Kyle W is Utah Football
Samsonite
12/3/22 7:51am
I care because I want to beat them regularly and I care who we hire
Hawk Talons
12/3/22 7:52am
Honestly Utah (and somewhat TCU) are the blueprint we are wanting to follow. It makes sense to see what they do
krindorr
12/3/22 8:07am
Okay I think I came up with how we emulate them…
LumberCoug
12/3/22 4:23pm
They aren't an exact match...but we can still learn a lot from similarities
krindorr
12/3/22 4:31pm
For sure. I just think the biggest issues for BYU stem from the HC. It’s a chall
LumberCoug
12/3/22 4:45pm
Great coach, great recruiter, great program. My only beef is that he has zero
kansascougar
12/3/22 7:56am
I want to beat them and out recruit them for LDS athletes in particular
Hawk Talons
12/3/22 7:59am
Yes and absolutely need to win to make this happen, Utah
1CougFan
12/3/22 8:53am
KS knows of it, but what he's shown seems to indicate he doesn't know it.
sheza65
12/3/22 9:01am
I don't believe that BYU is their super bowl anymore, I really don't.
The Dark Knight
12/3/22 1:20pm
He was trained by Urban Meyer. That was his thing. Hate the rival.
Shore10
12/3/22 8:34am
Not just hate them, do all you can to destroy them on and
1CougFan
12/3/22 8:55am
But it gives them a psychological edge
CharlottesvilleCoug
12/3/22 9:32am
It's made the culture of the state pretty toxic now.
Shore10
12/3/22 10:18am
Nah, he was trained by Ron McBride. In McBride’s words: “I like LaVell, I don’t
Desertcoug85
12/3/22 9:20am
That’s untrue
bigjohn
12/3/22 10:19am
His actions say otherwise. Does Utah have obnoxious fans? Yep. Does Sitake act
kansascougar
12/3/22 10:25am
That’s just a rivalry strategy
bigjohn
12/3/22 12:05pm
Oh BS. BYU fans only give him a hard time in the context of the rivalry
kansascougar
12/3/22 12:07pm
This
shakarocks
12/3/22 10:28am
So why doesn't he express that respect?
The Dark Knight
12/3/22 1:18pm
He was never going to accept the BYU job. Ever. He does not respect the BYU
Desertcoug85
12/4/22 8:26am
Oh yes he was. Had Scalley not rallied he would have been at BYU
shakarocks
12/4/22 12:00pm
I don’t believe you or him. He was going to take it because Utah hadn’t offered
Desertcoug85
12/4/22 1:57pm
It's well documented
shakarocks
12/5/22 3:51am
His disdain for BYU is mostly post 2005. The family thinks they did Fred wrong
kansascougar
12/5/22 6:44am
I still insist any perceived disrespect from Bronco toward Kyle was purely
Desertcoug85
12/10/22 12:06pm
The whole world is LaBradford Smith to Kyle Whittingham.
Shore10
12/10/22 12:54pm
So lower assistant pay, assistants who might not want to come to BYU, minimal
Desertcoug85
12/5/22 1:12pm
Kyle believes BYU did his dad Fred wrong. Blood is much thicker than water.
notsofast
12/3/22 10:49am
You’re right and yet he almost
bigjohn
12/3/22 12:07pm
I love KW, but he's not great as the favorite, or when he has something to lose.
bja13
12/3/22 1:45pm
Very true. That's his whole schtick. Underdog chip on his shoulder.
Shore10
12/3/22 1:58pm
He is in the same tier as Saban, Meyer, and Sweeney.
Backcountry
12/3/22 8:07am
Wouldn't go that far, he's top 15, probably even top 10, but def not top 5
krindorr
12/3/22 8:11am
How many national championships has Kyle won (legitimately, that is)? He’s a good coach, but he’s not at that level.
Texas Hammer
12/3/22 8:14am
Hes at Utah. He turned a mid level MWC program into a P5 power. At USC Whitt
Backcountry
12/3/22 8:32am
I'd say that transformation happened under Urban but whit kept it going.
Shore10
12/3/22 8:36am
Utah was losing to Air Force and New Mexico regularly when Whitt took over.
Backcountry
12/3/22 8:37am
NM had a decent team back then. Air Force was always a hard game.
Shore10
12/3/22 8:47am
You can argue that but it's a hypothetical - Swinney, Smart, Saban, Urban etc all actually did it
krindorr
12/3/22 8:39am
Plus there's differences in process
krindorr
12/3/22 8:41am
Sure he’s built a great program, but again - how many NCs does he have? You put him at the same level of others that
Texas Hammer
12/3/22 8:58am
Oh brother. Stop with the love affair. He’s good but not elite
chitownboy
12/3/22 9:12am
Hes elite. Its not debatable
Backcountry
12/3/22 9:22am
Oh really it’s not a debate. There are only 3 or so guys that are elite
chitownboy
12/3/22 10:46am
I'd say elite. Back to back P12 championships. In the game what 4x in a row?
BYUfan92
12/3/22 10:00am
They haven’t even sniffed the playoffs yet. But yeah let’s say he’s elite.
chitownboy
12/3/22 10:48am
What does 'sniffing the playoffs entail'?
krindorr
12/3/22 12:22pm
When they officially select teams Utah has never been in the conversation.
chitownboy
12/3/22 12:39pm
Lol nice try. I didn’t say he was anywhere close to the best coach ever. SI has
BYUfan92
12/3/22 2:15pm
Correct I use hyperbole because you used it. Elite is reserved for only a
chitownboy
12/3/22 2:21pm
Top 10 percent is elite in my estimation and that’s roughly where I’d put KW
BYUfan92
12/3/22 3:00pm
Yeah your definition and mine are way different. I would count only 3-5 as elite
chitownboy
12/3/22 3:41pm
Hes at Utah, dude. Do you remember what Utah was when Kyle took over? You
Backcountry
12/4/22 8:29am
Legitimately top 10 each year. Dude you don’t know football
chitownboy
12/4/22 11:23am
How many times has Utah finished in the top 10 in the last 10 years? Yeah 0
chitownboy
12/4/22 11:38am
While I agree with the general argument...Utah finished #10 last year
krindorr
12/4/22 11:46am
Yeah. I kinda had to laugh at his assertion.
Shore10
12/4/22 11:56am
12th. Look it up if you need
chitownboy
12/4/22 12:33pm
I mean, ok. You're correct, but you think there's much of a difference?
Shore10
12/5/22 8:44am
Wrong. After bowl game they were #12. After all games are played.
chitownboy
12/4/22 12:32pm
Huh, you're right. Wikipedia has the info wrong, I'll put in an edit there
krindorr
12/5/22 6:05am
Ummm no, you need a national championship to be in the same sentence with those
zerome4sooners
12/3/22 4:07pm
Bronco or Patterson?! What the?
Texas Hammer
12/3/22 8:10am
Cut Kalani some slack, let’s let him get
Prdub83
12/3/22 8:22am
It has been seven years without the right dudes.
sheza65
12/3/22 9:06am
But does Kalani have it in him to bring in "the right dudes"?
CharlottesvilleCoug
12/3/22 9:36am
I don’t think being in the Big12 makes much difference in recruiting unless we have the right coaches recruiting.
Bonoman
12/3/22 2:12pm
My question remains: Why hasn't Kalani already learned from Kyle? How long
BYUJoJo
12/3/22 8:22am
Bingo!
1CougFan
12/3/22 8:58am
If KS learned it, then something impedes him from implementing it. I just think
sheza65
12/3/22 9:05am
BYU neuters coaches. Bronco and Kalani both came in as tough guys.
Backcountry
12/3/22 9:40am
Great observations and great post!
BYUJoJo
12/3/22 8:24am
When you hear people bad mouthing Brigham Young
JupiterJones
12/3/22 8:34am
As an active, believing member who is also a BYU fan,
troglodyte
12/3/22 10:00am
Lavell disagrees.
Les IsMore
12/3/22 2:24pm
Lavell’s legacy played out in SLC. Wish BYU got him back in the day
Honor Code
12/3/22 8:38am
Kyles competitiveness and desire to win gotta be top 10. Add to
1CougFan
12/3/22 8:49am
yet - he loses head scratchers every year. he was our coach and we would
Pobs
12/3/22 9:17am
Yeah, I bet we we hate B 2 B conference championships and Rose Bowl games.
Hawk Talons
12/3/22 10:38am
You don’t think the board would be lamenting the 3 losses? Board nature says yes
Pobs
12/5/22 12:00pm
In his first 7 years he had ONE really good season
moknowssports
12/3/22 10:53am
Kyle finished third or worse in MWC all but once.
Madam Pattirini
12/3/22 11:45am
He also benefited from P5 status vs his rival
YOHONOMOTO
12/3/22 1:26pm
Sobering isn't it?
Ute_Truther
12/3/22 3:18pm
He's a great coach who finds a way to be competitive every year. He adopted
Jasbo
12/3/22 11:51am
That’s why every time I hear from Ute fans to fire Kyle I’m like…
Coug Man in Florida
12/3/22 12:32pm
And we whiffed on him by trying to offer him way below market value.
tony
12/3/22 1:11pm
He's very good. I do question how good he'd be in a more competitive football
Gentleman Stan
12/3/22 1:23pm
I don’t understand why BYU regressed this year after stellar 2020 and 2021 seasons. Hall is awesome. Puka
TFL
12/3/22 3:48pm
Coaches not good
zerome4sooners
12/3/22 4:08pm
Defense was…
Coug Man in Florida
12/3/22 5:00pm
What is with the Utah love fest on this board?
zerome4sooners
12/3/22 4:07pm
It’s admitting they’re good, and being frustrated with how BYU committed to
Desertcoug85
12/4/22 8:37am
Yes, and BYU IMO did not take beating Utah more seriously by building a team
1CougFan
12/10/22 9:42pm
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