That’s just a rivalry strategy

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Dec 3, 2022
12:05:57pm

bigjohn Starter

and it’s worked quite well. Utah football players genuinely think of us as little brother and not as an equal rival.

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bigjohn

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Kyle W is Utah Football

Hawk Talons

12/3/22 7:50am

"holds people accountable" LOL

Gustav

12/3/22 7:51am

For football related issues, yes. Other stuff….lol

mudpupper

12/3/22 7:54am

Especially Wyoming.

Orem58thBall

12/3/22 12:21pm

RE: Kyle W is Utah Football

Samsonite

12/3/22 7:51am

I care because I want to beat them regularly and I care who we hire

Hawk Talons

12/3/22 7:52am

Honestly Utah (and somewhat TCU) are the blueprint we are wanting to follow. It makes sense to see what they do

krindorr

12/3/22 8:07am

Okay I think I came up with how we emulate them…

LumberCoug

12/3/22 4:23pm

They aren't an exact match...but we can still learn a lot from similarities

krindorr

12/3/22 4:31pm

For sure. I just think the biggest issues for BYU stem from the HC. It’s a chall

LumberCoug

12/3/22 4:45pm

Great coach, great recruiter, great program. My only beef is that he has zero

kansascougar

12/3/22 7:56am

I want to beat them and out recruit them for LDS athletes in particular

Hawk Talons

12/3/22 7:59am

Yes and absolutely need to win to make this happen, Utah

1CougFan

12/3/22 8:53am

KS knows of it, but what he's shown seems to indicate he doesn't know it.

sheza65

12/3/22 9:01am

I don't believe that BYU is their super bowl anymore, I really don't.

The Dark Knight

12/3/22 1:20pm

He was trained by Urban Meyer. That was his thing. Hate the rival.

Shore10

12/3/22 8:34am

Not just hate them, do all you can to destroy them on and

1CougFan

12/3/22 8:55am

But it gives them a psychological edge

CharlottesvilleCoug

12/3/22 9:32am

It's made the culture of the state pretty toxic now.

Shore10

12/3/22 10:18am

Nah, he was trained by Ron McBride. In McBride’s words: “I like LaVell, I don’t

Desertcoug85

12/3/22 9:20am

That’s untrue

bigjohn

12/3/22 10:19am

His actions say otherwise. Does Utah have obnoxious fans? Yep. Does Sitake act

kansascougar

12/3/22 10:25am

That’s just a rivalry strategy

bigjohn

12/3/22 12:05pm

Oh BS. BYU fans only give him a hard time in the context of the rivalry

kansascougar

12/3/22 12:07pm

This

shakarocks

12/3/22 10:28am

So why doesn't he express that respect?

The Dark Knight

12/3/22 1:18pm

He was never going to accept the BYU job. Ever. He does not respect the BYU

Desertcoug85

12/4/22 8:26am

Oh yes he was. Had Scalley not rallied he would have been at BYU

shakarocks

12/4/22 12:00pm

I don’t believe you or him. He was going to take it because Utah hadn’t offered

Desertcoug85

12/4/22 1:57pm

It's well documented

shakarocks

12/5/22 3:51am

His disdain for BYU is mostly post 2005. The family thinks they did Fred wrong

kansascougar

12/5/22 6:44am

I still insist any perceived disrespect from Bronco toward Kyle was purely

Desertcoug85

12/10/22 12:06pm

The whole world is LaBradford Smith to Kyle Whittingham.

Shore10

12/10/22 12:54pm

So lower assistant pay, assistants who might not want to come to BYU, minimal

Desertcoug85

12/5/22 1:12pm

Kyle believes BYU did his dad Fred wrong. Blood is much thicker than water.

notsofast

12/3/22 10:49am

You’re right and yet he almost

bigjohn

12/3/22 12:07pm

I love KW, but he's not great as the favorite, or when he has something to lose.

bja13

12/3/22 1:45pm

Very true. That's his whole schtick. Underdog chip on his shoulder.

Shore10

12/3/22 1:58pm

He is in the same tier as Saban, Meyer, and Sweeney.

Backcountry

12/3/22 8:07am

Wouldn't go that far, he's top 15, probably even top 10, but def not top 5

krindorr

12/3/22 8:11am

How many national championships has Kyle won (legitimately, that is)? He’s a good coach, but he’s not at that level.

Texas Hammer

12/3/22 8:14am

Hes at Utah. He turned a mid level MWC program into a P5 power. At USC Whitt

Backcountry

12/3/22 8:32am

I'd say that transformation happened under Urban but whit kept it going.

Shore10

12/3/22 8:36am

Utah was losing to Air Force and New Mexico regularly when Whitt took over.

Backcountry

12/3/22 8:37am

NM had a decent team back then. Air Force was always a hard game.

Shore10

12/3/22 8:47am

You can argue that but it's a hypothetical - Swinney, Smart, Saban, Urban etc all actually did it

krindorr

12/3/22 8:39am

Plus there's differences in process

krindorr

12/3/22 8:41am

Sure he’s built a great program, but again - how many NCs does he have? You put him at the same level of others that

Texas Hammer

12/3/22 8:58am

Oh brother. Stop with the love affair. He’s good but not elite

chitownboy

12/3/22 9:12am

Hes elite. Its not debatable

Backcountry

12/3/22 9:22am

Oh really it’s not a debate. There are only 3 or so guys that are elite

chitownboy

12/3/22 10:46am

I'd say elite. Back to back P12 championships. In the game what 4x in a row?

BYUfan92

12/3/22 10:00am

They haven’t even sniffed the playoffs yet. But yeah let’s say he’s elite.

chitownboy

12/3/22 10:48am

What does 'sniffing the playoffs entail'?

krindorr

12/3/22 12:22pm

When they officially select teams Utah has never been in the conversation.

chitownboy

12/3/22 12:39pm

Lol nice try. I didn’t say he was anywhere close to the best coach ever. SI has

BYUfan92

12/3/22 2:15pm

Correct I use hyperbole because you used it. Elite is reserved for only a

chitownboy

12/3/22 2:21pm

Top 10 percent is elite in my estimation and that’s roughly where I’d put KW

BYUfan92

12/3/22 3:00pm

Yeah your definition and mine are way different. I would count only 3-5 as elite

chitownboy

12/3/22 3:41pm

Hes at Utah, dude. Do you remember what Utah was when Kyle took over? You

Backcountry

12/4/22 8:29am

Legitimately top 10 each year. Dude you don’t know football

chitownboy

12/4/22 11:23am

How many times has Utah finished in the top 10 in the last 10 years? Yeah 0

chitownboy

12/4/22 11:38am

While I agree with the general argument...Utah finished #10 last year

krindorr

12/4/22 11:46am

Yeah. I kinda had to laugh at his assertion.

Shore10

12/4/22 11:56am

12th. Look it up if you need

chitownboy

12/4/22 12:33pm

I mean, ok. You're correct, but you think there's much of a difference?

Shore10

12/5/22 8:44am

Wrong. After bowl game they were #12. After all games are played.

chitownboy

12/4/22 12:32pm

Huh, you're right. Wikipedia has the info wrong, I'll put in an edit there

krindorr

12/5/22 6:05am

Ummm no, you need a national championship to be in the same sentence with those

zerome4sooners

12/3/22 4:07pm

Bronco or Patterson?! What the?

Texas Hammer

12/3/22 8:10am

Cut Kalani some slack, let’s let him get

Prdub83

12/3/22 8:22am

It has been seven years without the right dudes.

sheza65

12/3/22 9:06am

But does Kalani have it in him to bring in "the right dudes"?

CharlottesvilleCoug

12/3/22 9:36am

I don’t think being in the Big12 makes much difference in recruiting unless we have the right coaches recruiting.

Bonoman

12/3/22 2:12pm

My question remains: Why hasn't Kalani already learned from Kyle? How long

BYUJoJo

12/3/22 8:22am

Bingo!

1CougFan

12/3/22 8:58am

If KS learned it, then something impedes him from implementing it. I just think

sheza65

12/3/22 9:05am

BYU neuters coaches. Bronco and Kalani both came in as tough guys.

Backcountry

12/3/22 9:40am

Great observations and great post!

BYUJoJo

12/3/22 8:24am

When you hear people bad mouthing Brigham Young

JupiterJones

12/3/22 8:34am

As an active, believing member who is also a BYU fan,

troglodyte

12/3/22 10:00am

Lavell disagrees.

Les IsMore

12/3/22 2:24pm

Lavell’s legacy played out in SLC. Wish BYU got him back in the day

Honor Code

12/3/22 8:38am

Kyles competitiveness and desire to win gotta be top 10. Add to

1CougFan

12/3/22 8:49am

yet - he loses head scratchers every year. he was our coach and we would

Pobs

12/3/22 9:17am

Yeah, I bet we we hate B 2 B conference championships and Rose Bowl games.

Hawk Talons

12/3/22 10:38am

You don’t think the board would be lamenting the 3 losses? Board nature says yes

Pobs

12/5/22 12:00pm

In his first 7 years he had ONE really good season

moknowssports

12/3/22 10:53am

Kyle finished third or worse in MWC all but once.

Madam Pattirini

12/3/22 11:45am

He also benefited from P5 status vs his rival

YOHONOMOTO

12/3/22 1:26pm

Sobering isn't it?

Ute_Truther

12/3/22 3:18pm

He's a great coach who finds a way to be competitive every year. He adopted

Jasbo

12/3/22 11:51am

That’s why every time I hear from Ute fans to fire Kyle I’m like…

Coug Man in Florida

12/3/22 12:32pm

And we whiffed on him by trying to offer him way below market value.

tony

12/3/22 1:11pm

He's very good. I do question how good he'd be in a more competitive football

Gentleman Stan

12/3/22 1:23pm

I don’t understand why BYU regressed this year after stellar 2020 and 2021 seasons. Hall is awesome. Puka

TFL

12/3/22 3:48pm

Coaches not good

zerome4sooners

12/3/22 4:08pm

Defense was…

Coug Man in Florida

12/3/22 5:00pm

What is with the Utah love fest on this board?

zerome4sooners

12/3/22 4:07pm

It’s admitting they’re good, and being frustrated with how BYU committed to

Desertcoug85

12/4/22 8:37am

Yes, and BYU IMO did not take beating Utah more seriously by building a team

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