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Mar 23, 2023
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dYrtbYkerYder
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Businesses are terrible at tracking the productivity of office workers, and that
isn't a new problem that was introduced by people working from home.
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The least productive people fight the hardest to defend work from home.
MormonThug
3/23/23 11:10am
The people most opposed to WFH are those without the self discipline to do it
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 11:11am
RE: The people most opposed to WFH are those without the self discipline to do
MarylandFan
3/23/23 11:12am
No, it's their bosses
Plato
3/23/23 11:16am
Who probably don’t have that discipline, and therefore assume their employees don’t either
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 11:17am
Meh. If it is easy to manage WFH, I would start looking overseas.
Acorn
3/23/23 12:04pm
Go for it. You’ll soon realize why most companies don’t - and why many who do end up re-shoring a few years later.
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 1:06pm
People in my industry already are. No whining employees, 1/2 the cost,
Acorn
3/23/23 1:36pm
Like I said. Good luck. I’ve been through 3-4 pendulum swings of offshoring, honeymoon period, then things going to crap
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 1:42pm
No doubt. You are a HUGE advocate of WFH and say it is more productive.
Acorn
3/23/23 1:49pm
I don’t actually believe what I said, I was just making a stupidly broad generalization in response to the OPs stupidly
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 8:08pm
Oh, so you're an accountant. That explains a lot.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 2:42pm
It makes me wonder how often he/his friend audit the work being done by these offshore resources.
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 3:39pm
I work with offshore resources as well. Their work is not very good.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 3:49pm
Some are good. The vast, vast majority are not.
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 3:50pm
I'm the boss and I work from home 95% of the time. My guys all go into the
VACOUGFAN
3/23/23 11:23am
Agreed. My most productive work at the office
Archaea
3/23/23 12:23pm
It's the managers who know deep down we could probably do without them
justAnotherCoug
3/23/23 11:21am
They're indispensable
MarylandFan
3/23/23 11:25am
The people most opposed to WFH are the people who have to pay $100 for $75 worth of work.
HarlemCoug
3/23/23 11:27am
Not everyone has the personality or discipline or skill set to do it.
niqmadu
3/23/23 11:35am
Elon Musk, Jaime Dimon, the list goes on and you look pretty foolish.
Acorn
3/23/23 11:37am
Nah. Elons looking for ways to fire people, and his WFH stance is one filter for that. It’ll work better for some
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 2:20pm
Or shareholders, board & owners who know/believe wfh team aren’t as productive?
BYUfan92
3/23/23 12:16pm
Managers are realizing 2/3s lack the discipline to be more productive from home.
Forzaitalia
3/23/23 12:25pm
I love how everyone’s arguing this while currently working at work or remote 🤣
Magneto
3/23/23 3:04pm
Or the people who would rather start working at 7:30 than be in traffic from
ballen
3/23/23 11:12am
Or those who would rather be golfing at 7:30AM, and working at midnight.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 11:23am
I disagree. My most productive people are the ones who fight the hardest for it.
Japan Coug
3/23/23 11:12am
Top people value flexibility as much as anyone else. It's really simple,
Mitty
3/23/23 7:04pm
This, I go into the office every day. But I like flexible with the hours.
JohnnyC
3/24/23 5:42am
WFH prevents me from having to move 1,000 miles and change countries
Indy Coug
3/23/23 11:13am
Then you have the wrong people.
Kelbob
3/23/23 11:13am
Most people are the wrong people
MormonThug
3/23/23 11:15am
Guess you need to work on your ability to find the right people.
Kelbob
3/23/23 11:20am
Or maybe they have the wrong manager.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 11:24am
Sounds like it to me
Kelbob
3/23/23 11:24am
RE: Sounds like it to me
MormonThug
3/23/23 12:04pm
But I love firing the wrong people so much
MormonThug
3/23/23 11:25am
All really broad paint brushers SUCK...
whirl
3/23/23 11:14am
^works from home
MormonThug
3/23/23 11:15am
No, and you suck at painting.
whirl
3/23/23 11:17am
^lies
MormonThug
3/23/23 11:25am
RE: All really broad paint brushers SUCK...
Florida Man
3/23/23 11:15am
RE: The least productive people fight the hardest to defend work from home.
Cougarnovas
3/23/23 11:15am
My wife just got a promotion, a nice raise, and her largest bonus ever.
El Careeb
3/23/23 11:15am
We had a remote HR person telling people that they need to stop complaining
Ozymandias
3/23/23 11:15am
I disagree. Why go to office to sit in a cubicle and be distracted by
BNcoug
3/23/23 11:16am
Sounds like WFH with kids around
SUAVO
3/23/23 11:24am
proved it. Took 5 mins. Now everyone get back to work.
MormonThug
3/23/23 11:17am
I actually wonder how average posts/person/day compares pre-, during-, and post-COVID
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 11:18am
<< Deleted >>
MormonThug
3/23/23 11:23am
CB right now:
John Doe
3/23/23 11:18am
Funny thing is that those complaining incessantly about WFH are management
bluelands
3/23/23 11:18am
It's all the people Facebook just realized they could do without
justAnotherCoug
3/23/23 11:23am
Yup. They just need to figure out how to manage people who work from home. NBD.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 11:25am
This is what is really going on behind the scenes
byukarl
3/23/23 12:04pm
I'm in a sales group and our most productive sales agents work at home
byukarl
3/23/23 11:18am
I don’t know that they fight the hardest for it, but IME they are the most vocal
RevolutionDeathsquad
3/23/23 11:19am
I think it comes down to the individual. Like everything else in life blanket
byukarl
3/23/23 11:22am
There are no unproductive people if you hire the right people and have the right
Skeptical Optimist
3/23/23 11:21am
Exactly, good workers take pride and will produce anywhere that is set up
Mitty
3/23/23 7:10pm
Not sure if that's true but if I'm going to be an office wage slave that never
Lord Jim
3/23/23 11:22am
Every employee/manager/office/industry is different
MarylandFan
3/23/23 11:23am
Says the controlling, top-down manager who fears losing control of his employees
FiveTen-BuckEighty
3/23/23 11:36am
I think this quote makes more sense when you’re in a low stakes business where screw ups are fine
JollyGreenGiant
3/23/23 11:49am
This discussion is endless and unresolvable.
MarylandFan
3/23/23 11:51am
Businesses are terrible at tracking the productivity of office workers, and that
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 11:50am
Productivity is pretty visible when you are in the office together. In fact, it
Acorn
3/23/23 11:56am
It depends on the job. Stop acting like it doesn't.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 12:02pm
Disagree. It is easy to spot pathetic workers in the office. Always has been.
Acorn
3/23/23 12:07pm
Busyness isn't productivity. I stand by my claim that there have to be better
FiveTen-BuckEighty
3/23/23 12:29pm
Busyness. You have no idea what I am speaking of.
Acorn
3/23/23 1:45pm
I think you'd find more consensus on a board of accountants near retirement age.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 2:48pm
You don't think it's possible that WFH works better for some people? Sorry, but
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 12:47pm
TLDR. Your first question - did you even read the post that you replied to?
Acorn
3/23/23 1:54pm
There ya go again.. general blanket statement with no proof
byukarl
3/23/23 12:52pm
Sales isn't office work. It is easily measured and paid by commission.
Acorn
3/23/23 1:39pm
Great managers can measure productivity everywhere.
VACOUGFAN
3/23/23 1:38pm
Well then, I must not be great in your eyes. I can live with that.
Acorn
3/23/23 2:02pm
Not insulting you. Just calling you a "good manager" as you effectively called
VACOUGFAN
3/23/23 2:06pm
Anyone who throws around blanket statements loses credibility fast with me.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 2:49pm
Sounds like a good manager would have seen that you were overstaffed by 5 people before and cut it to 9 earlier…
Mike Honcho
3/23/23 2:23pm
Elon Musk and Jaime Dimon seem pretty successful, but that is just probably me.
Acorn
3/23/23 11:51am
Work from home must die
Backcountry
3/23/23 12:09pm
"I don't like it, so nobody should do it"
dYrtbYkerYder
3/23/23 2:52pm
Exactly.
Backcountry
3/23/23 3:32pm
They fight the hardest not to work when at work.
waveslayer
3/23/23 3:06pm
We did a poll of 40,000+ employees and 78% said
Helm Hammerhand
3/23/23 8:21pm
India?
Backcountry
3/23/23 8:42pm
US, Canada and Scotland
Helm Hammerhand
3/23/23 9:14pm
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