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Mar 26, 2024
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SinkingQuffa
Intervention Needed
Knell should be at most an end-of-the-rotation shooter. A guy who comes in for 5-10 a game & chucks em up, or
who stays in longer if he's really hot or the team is finding good chemistry with him.
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Anyone who wants to move on from Knell or wants Dallin Hall as a backup PG
seco03
Mar 26, 10:34am
The decision that needs to be made is that defensively do we want to find
BYUheaven
Mar 26, 10:41am
Thinking Hall is a backup PG is crazy. Cutting Knell’s minutes is not. Knell
TheMediator
Mar 26, 10:43am
I agree with what you said about Knell, not about Hall.
Archaea
Mar 26, 10:46am
I’d be surprised if there are any more than 2-4 guards in the portal more proven
arcawley
Mar 26, 10:53am
That's the staff's job to know, to find them and to lure them to BYU.
Archaea
Mar 26, 11:02am
You could say the same about any player on our team.
Ham
Mar 26, 12:07pm
Exactly you always take someone better. The chances byu gets a better pg than
johnnybyu
Mar 26, 7:30pm
You have to be really careful about that because of how your team culture is affected
puntersarepeople
Mar 26, 9:21pm
I agree
johnnybyu
Mar 27, 4:07pm
You just described Robinson
Remigius
Mar 26, 10:48am
I would disagree entirely. JR has a much higher ceiling, but he had
Archaea
Mar 26, 10:50am
JR has a higher ceiling
Remigius
Mar 26, 11:08am
Agreed. Started the season hot, then went super inconsistent. He's sadly not
Mitty
Mar 26, 11:51am
I thought he was a ‘plus’ defender whose assist-to-turnover ratio is great
BYU'01
Mar 26, 12:54pm
You are still talking Knell right? I mean I loved having on the team too. I'll
TheMediator
Mar 26, 3:16pm
Compare his assist/min or assist/TO rate to Jaxon or Dawson Baker. It’s great.
BYU'01
Mar 26, 3:29pm
JR handles the ball a lot more and more is demanded of him.
Archaea
Mar 26, 4:03pm
No, I’m saying he’s under calling TK’s contribution. JR handles the ball more
BYU'01
Mar 26, 6:30pm
TK should be a bench player, not a starter.
Archaea
Mar 27, 10:23am
I guess Mark Pope doesn’t see this team basketball the same way you do
BYU'01
Mar 27, 3:51pm
100%
gurt
Mar 26, 1:53pm
Spot on
ZuluBlue
Mar 26, 2:47pm
Agreed. He definitely strikes me as a bench player.
Hill4Heisman
Mar 26, 3:05pm
Totally agree. Knell can neither guard quicks on the perimeter and stop their
Love Cougs
Mar 26, 7:35pm
Someone can look at his stats but didn't he start off well but then tail off
Archaea
Mar 26, 10:44am
I'd say that top 4 in assists and assist to TO ratio in one of the best
seco03
Mar 26, 10:51am
It's not just about numbers IMHO.
Archaea
Mar 26, 11:00am
I guess I disagree with your eye test then
seco03
Mar 26, 11:04am
I also think if you get a better backup PG and Hall doesn't have to play 36 min
seco03
Mar 26, 11:17am
Looked pretty solid closing out Kansas
4thand19
Mar 26, 11:45am
How did he look against Tech and Duquesne?
Archaea
Mar 26, 12:04pm
You already proved this entire season your eyes fail at the eye test. The worst.
Big Daddy D
Mar 26, 9:32pm
I would not.
BYUDM93
Mar 26, 11:32am
btw I am not interested in either of the propostions mentioned in the OP
BYUDM93
Mar 26, 11:45am
I hope he gets but he's not there now.
Archaea
Mar 26, 11:54am
I agree that Knell was streaky, but he was 1 of only 2 players on our team who
jreid191
Mar 26, 10:58am
He doesn't have any other skill sets though.
Archaea
Mar 26, 11:01am
I'm fine w/ him coming off the bench if we can bring in another capable player
jreid191
Mar 26, 11:13am
I wouldn't say Hall couldn't finish at the rim. I think in clutch situations, he tended to go in wild and go 50/50
Bob Vance
Mar 26, 11:06am
If he is not Ainge or Jimmer level he is not worth it as a starting point guard?
jvr7
Mar 26, 12:30pm
Jimmer wasn't the Jimmer we all remember
BondWeaver
Mar 26, 2:27pm
Our shooters need someone who can drive and kick. Hall showed glimpses all year
VirginiaPeanut
Mar 26, 10:49am
For some reason, Knell became CB's whipping boy even though multiple players
runnincoug
Mar 26, 11:02am
Knell's season stats show him to still be a solid offensive player
runnincoug
Mar 26, 12:23pm
Agree on Hall but not Knell. Knell's 3 point % is skewed a bit by early
kansascougar
Mar 26, 11:06am
Elite?-Come on. Solid?-Yes. A worthy B12 starter?-Yes.May become elite?-Yes,
BYUDM93
Mar 26, 11:24am
Several opposing big 12 announcers have called him elite
seco03
Mar 26, 11:25am
I'm sure you'll claim this is coach speak but it's something
seco03
Mar 26, 11:27am
It is coachspeak. Pope talked up even WVU.
Archaea
Mar 26, 11:57am
You are really over selling Hall. He had some great moments for the team this year but we got beat by teams who
Blue2thebone
Mar 26, 11:31am
This.
Archaea
Mar 26, 11:57am
I suppose if we had an all American we’d still be playing
Remigius
Mar 26, 12:02pm
If we had anyone that could beat someone off the dribble we would still be
kansascougar
Mar 26, 12:03pm
We have a point guard that did that consistently all year
Remigius
Mar 26, 12:07pm
I love Hall but he did not consistently beat opposing PGs off the dribble IMO.
kansascougar
Mar 26, 5:51pm
Not really. Go back and watch the first half vs Houston or the end of the KU game and watch Hall
puntersarepeople
Mar 26, 1:11pm
did you not read my post? I said he had terrific moments. But his average isn't terrific and he's limited due to speed
Blue2thebone
Mar 26, 4:24pm
Dallin still has a lot of room to grow. I think he is great and still has room to develop. I think Knell has hit his
TheLoneCougar
Mar 26, 12:02pm
Knell shot like 32% from 3 in B12
gocougs719
Mar 26, 12:31pm
He actually shot 36% from 3 in conference play. 2nd best on the team
cougarfan84
Mar 26, 1:41pm
Now add in conference tourney and Duquesene…
gocougs719
Mar 26, 8:53pm
Knell really started to struggle after his foot injury
Cougforgood
Mar 26, 12:32pm
You think Dallin Hall is an elite Big 12 Point Guard? I think he is a good
Jdoc
Mar 26, 12:50pm
He was voted honorable mention all big12 pg... so 4th best pg? Pretty good!
runnincoug
Mar 26, 12:52pm
I wouldn't rate him fourth. There are several point guards named Honorable
Jdoc
Mar 26, 1:00pm
Correct. Look at all the Honorable Mention named
Archaea
Mar 26, 1:13pm
Fair enough, maybe not elite. But pretty darn good.
runnincoug
Mar 26, 1:28pm
My understanding is, Honorable Mention does not mean 4th. It means
BYUDM93
Mar 26, 4:01pm
Next year he might be
puntersarepeople
Mar 26, 1:15pm
He’s a sophomore. Improved dramatically over the season. Had that potential
gocougs719
Mar 26, 8:55pm
Knell had a 2 month stretch to finish the season he shot about 25 % from the 3P
cougaman
Mar 26, 1:39pm
What on earth are you talking about? He was 37/44 (84%) from the FT line during
cougarfan84
Mar 26, 1:46pm
Meant 3 Pt line and have edited it.
cougaman
Mar 26, 1:51pm
So basically, not counting his 4 best shooting games in conference play his
cougarfan84
Mar 26, 2:09pm
2 months is far from a small sample size, and he does nothing else above average
cougaman
Mar 26, 2:18pm
I thought his 9 3PFGs against Cinci was passable as well 🙄
BYU'01
Mar 26, 2:40pm
I misremembered the game. Regardless, he want very good outside the 1 game
cougaman
Mar 26, 2:51pm
Knell should be at most an end-of-the-rotation shooter. A guy who comes in for 5-10 a game & chucks em up, or
SinkingQuffa
Mar 26, 1:43pm
That’s a still a far cry from “move on”.
puntersarepeople
Mar 26, 2:29pm
I highly doubt Pope has any intention of moving Knell — or encouraging him to move.
SinkingQuffa
Mar 26, 3:20pm
Stewart and Atiki are the only possible guys we'll move on from. What this team needs is additions not replacements
puntersarepeople
Mar 26, 4:12pm
I agree w that. I think Knell would be encouraged along at most programs, though
SinkingQuffa
Mar 26, 4:18pm
It’s not Knell’s shooting that makes me want an upgrade. It’s his limitations on
ledfoot
Mar 26, 2:59pm
Eh. Stop hangin on Jay Drew's every word... is maybe some other advice you should consider.
SinkingQuffa
Mar 26, 3:24pm
I think they are both great ward ball players. Sort of like most of our team.
Big-Q
Mar 26, 3:07pm
A dominant theme on CB is the grass is always greener on the other side.
rockyrd
Mar 26, 3:17pm
Knell is great when he is making 3's, If he's not making 3's he doesn't bring much. I would prefer to see him come off
Nuke
Mar 26, 3:39pm
A PG who has yet to average 10+ ppg after 2 years is elite? Say what?
ldssdl
Mar 26, 5:47pm
I bet his numbers compare favorably to Shead’s sophomore numbers and other Big 12 point guards
Remigius
Mar 26, 6:13pm
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