I would disagree entirely. JR has a much higher ceiling, but he had

Mar 26, 2024
10:50:41am

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mental lapses, such as those lazy passes he occasionally makes.

But when he is on, he can cut to the basket, make almost any shot, and defend.

You watched different players if you believe Knell is a better defender than JR.

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Anyone who wants to move on from Knell or wants Dallin Hall as a backup PG

seco03

Mar 26, 10:34am

The decision that needs to be made is that defensively do we want to find

BYUheaven

Mar 26, 10:41am

Thinking Hall is a backup PG is crazy. Cutting Knell’s minutes is not. Knell

TheMediator

Mar 26, 10:43am

I agree with what you said about Knell, not about Hall.

Archaea

Mar 26, 10:46am

I’d be surprised if there are any more than 2-4 guards in the portal more proven

arcawley

Mar 26, 10:53am

That's the staff's job to know, to find them and to lure them to BYU.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:02am

You could say the same about any player on our team.

Ham

Mar 26, 12:07pm

Exactly you always take someone better. The chances byu gets a better pg than

johnnybyu

Mar 26, 7:30pm

You have to be really careful about that because of how your team culture is affected

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 9:21pm

I agree

johnnybyu

Mar 27, 4:07pm

You just described Robinson

Remigius

Mar 26, 10:48am

I would disagree entirely. JR has a much higher ceiling, but he had

Archaea

Mar 26, 10:50am

JR has a higher ceiling

Remigius

Mar 26, 11:08am

Agreed. Started the season hot, then went super inconsistent. He's sadly not

Mitty

Mar 26, 11:51am

I thought he was a ‘plus’ defender whose assist-to-turnover ratio is great

BYU'01

Mar 26, 12:54pm

You are still talking Knell right? I mean I loved having on the team too. I'll

TheMediator

Mar 26, 3:16pm

Compare his assist/min or assist/TO rate to Jaxon or Dawson Baker. It’s great.

BYU'01

Mar 26, 3:29pm

JR handles the ball a lot more and more is demanded of him.

Archaea

Mar 26, 4:03pm

No, I’m saying he’s under calling TK’s contribution. JR handles the ball more

BYU'01

Mar 26, 6:30pm

TK should be a bench player, not a starter.

Archaea

Mar 27, 10:23am

I guess Mark Pope doesn’t see this team basketball the same way you do

BYU'01

Mar 27, 3:51pm

100%

gurt

Mar 26, 1:53pm

Spot on

ZuluBlue

Mar 26, 2:47pm

Agreed. He definitely strikes me as a bench player.

Hill4Heisman

Mar 26, 3:05pm

Totally agree. Knell can neither guard quicks on the perimeter and stop their

Love Cougs

Mar 26, 7:35pm

Someone can look at his stats but didn't he start off well but then tail off

Archaea

Mar 26, 10:44am

I'd say that top 4 in assists and assist to TO ratio in one of the best

seco03

Mar 26, 10:51am

It's not just about numbers IMHO.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:00am

I guess I disagree with your eye test then

seco03

Mar 26, 11:04am

I also think if you get a better backup PG and Hall doesn't have to play 36 min

seco03

Mar 26, 11:17am

Looked pretty solid closing out Kansas

4thand19

Mar 26, 11:45am

How did he look against Tech and Duquesne?

Archaea

Mar 26, 12:04pm

You already proved this entire season your eyes fail at the eye test. The worst.

Big Daddy D

Mar 26, 9:32pm

I would not.

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 11:32am

btw I am not interested in either of the propostions mentioned in the OP

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 11:45am

I hope he gets but he's not there now.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:54am

I agree that Knell was streaky, but he was 1 of only 2 players on our team who

jreid191

Mar 26, 10:58am

He doesn't have any other skill sets though.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:01am

I'm fine w/ him coming off the bench if we can bring in another capable player

jreid191

Mar 26, 11:13am

I wouldn't say Hall couldn't finish at the rim. I think in clutch situations, he tended to go in wild and go 50/50

Bob Vance

Mar 26, 11:06am

If he is not Ainge or Jimmer level he is not worth it as a starting point guard?

jvr7

Mar 26, 12:30pm

Jimmer wasn't the Jimmer we all remember

BondWeaver

Mar 26, 2:27pm

Our shooters need someone who can drive and kick. Hall showed glimpses all year

VirginiaPeanut

Mar 26, 10:49am

For some reason, Knell became CB's whipping boy even though multiple players

runnincoug

Mar 26, 11:02am

Knell's season stats show him to still be a solid offensive player

runnincoug

Mar 26, 12:23pm

Agree on Hall but not Knell. Knell's 3 point % is skewed a bit by early

kansascougar

Mar 26, 11:06am

Elite?-Come on. Solid?-Yes. A worthy B12 starter?-Yes.May become elite?-Yes,

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 11:24am

Several opposing big 12 announcers have called him elite

seco03

Mar 26, 11:25am

I'm sure you'll claim this is coach speak but it's something

seco03

Mar 26, 11:27am

It is coachspeak. Pope talked up even WVU.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:57am

You are really over selling Hall. He had some great moments for the team this year but we got beat by teams who

Blue2thebone

Mar 26, 11:31am

This.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:57am

I suppose if we had an all American we’d still be playing

Remigius

Mar 26, 12:02pm

If we had anyone that could beat someone off the dribble we would still be

kansascougar

Mar 26, 12:03pm

We have a point guard that did that consistently all year

Remigius

Mar 26, 12:07pm

I love Hall but he did not consistently beat opposing PGs off the dribble IMO.

kansascougar

Mar 26, 5:51pm

Not really. Go back and watch the first half vs Houston or the end of the KU game and watch Hall

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 1:11pm

did you not read my post? I said he had terrific moments. But his average isn't terrific and he's limited due to speed

Blue2thebone

Mar 26, 4:24pm

Dallin still has a lot of room to grow. I think he is great and still has room to develop. I think Knell has hit his

TheLoneCougar

Mar 26, 12:02pm

Knell shot like 32% from 3 in B12

gocougs719

Mar 26, 12:31pm

He actually shot 36% from 3 in conference play. 2nd best on the team

cougarfan84

Mar 26, 1:41pm

Now add in conference tourney and Duquesene…

gocougs719

Mar 26, 8:53pm

Knell really started to struggle after his foot injury

Cougforgood

Mar 26, 12:32pm

You think Dallin Hall is an elite Big 12 Point Guard? I think he is a good

Jdoc

Mar 26, 12:50pm

He was voted honorable mention all big12 pg... so 4th best pg? Pretty good!

runnincoug

Mar 26, 12:52pm

I wouldn't rate him fourth. There are several point guards named Honorable

Jdoc

Mar 26, 1:00pm

Correct. Look at all the Honorable Mention named

Archaea

Mar 26, 1:13pm

Fair enough, maybe not elite. But pretty darn good.

runnincoug

Mar 26, 1:28pm

My understanding is, Honorable Mention does not mean 4th. It means

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 4:01pm

Next year he might be

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 1:15pm

He’s a sophomore. Improved dramatically over the season. Had that potential

gocougs719

Mar 26, 8:55pm

Knell had a 2 month stretch to finish the season he shot about 25 % from the 3P

cougaman

Mar 26, 1:39pm

What on earth are you talking about? He was 37/44 (84%) from the FT line during

cougarfan84

Mar 26, 1:46pm

Meant 3 Pt line and have edited it.

cougaman

Mar 26, 1:51pm

So basically, not counting his 4 best shooting games in conference play his

cougarfan84

Mar 26, 2:09pm

2 months is far from a small sample size, and he does nothing else above average

cougaman

Mar 26, 2:18pm

I thought his 9 3PFGs against Cinci was passable as well 🙄

BYU'01

Mar 26, 2:40pm

I misremembered the game. Regardless, he want very good outside the 1 game

cougaman

Mar 26, 2:51pm

Knell should be at most an end-of-the-rotation shooter. A guy who comes in for 5-10 a game & chucks em up, or

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 1:43pm

That’s a still a far cry from “move on”.

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 2:29pm

I highly doubt Pope has any intention of moving Knell — or encouraging him to move.

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 3:20pm

Stewart and Atiki are the only possible guys we'll move on from. What this team needs is additions not replacements

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 4:12pm

I agree w that. I think Knell would be encouraged along at most programs, though

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 4:18pm

It’s not Knell’s shooting that makes me want an upgrade. It’s his limitations on

ledfoot

Mar 26, 2:59pm

Eh. Stop hangin on Jay Drew's every word... is maybe some other advice you should consider.

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 3:24pm

I think they are both great ward ball players. Sort of like most of our team.

Big-Q

Mar 26, 3:07pm

A dominant theme on CB is the grass is always greener on the other side.

rockyrd

Mar 26, 3:17pm

Knell is great when he is making 3's, If he's not making 3's he doesn't bring much. I would prefer to see him come off

Nuke

Mar 26, 3:39pm

A PG who has yet to average 10+ ppg after 2 years is elite? Say what?

ldssdl

Mar 26, 5:47pm

I bet his numbers compare favorably to Shead’s sophomore numbers and other Big 12 point guards

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