Not insulting you. Just calling you a "good manager" as you effectively called

Mar 23, 2023
2:06:16pm

VACOUGFAN All-American

yourself. Good managers can measure productivity in the office.

I agree.

I just made the caveat that GREAT managers can measure productivity everywhere.

If you can't measure productivity of people not right in front of you, then that's on you.

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The least productive people fight the hardest to defend work from home.

MormonThug

3/23/23 11:10am

The people most opposed to WFH are those without the self discipline to do it

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 11:11am

RE: The people most opposed to WFH are those without the self discipline to do

MarylandFan

3/23/23 11:12am

No, it's their bosses

Plato

3/23/23 11:16am

Who probably don’t have that discipline, and therefore assume their employees don’t either

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 11:17am

Meh. If it is easy to manage WFH, I would start looking overseas.

Acorn

3/23/23 12:04pm

Go for it. You’ll soon realize why most companies don’t - and why many who do end up re-shoring a few years later.

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 1:06pm

People in my industry already are. No whining employees, 1/2 the cost,

Acorn

3/23/23 1:36pm

Like I said. Good luck. I’ve been through 3-4 pendulum swings of offshoring, honeymoon period, then things going to crap

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 1:42pm

No doubt. You are a HUGE advocate of WFH and say it is more productive.

Acorn

3/23/23 1:49pm

I don’t actually believe what I said, I was just making a stupidly broad generalization in response to the OPs stupidly

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 8:08pm

Oh, so you're an accountant. That explains a lot.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 2:42pm

It makes me wonder how often he/his friend audit the work being done by these offshore resources.

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 3:39pm

I work with offshore resources as well. Their work is not very good.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 3:49pm

Some are good. The vast, vast majority are not.

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 3:50pm

I'm the boss and I work from home 95% of the time. My guys all go into the

VACOUGFAN

3/23/23 11:23am

Agreed. My most productive work at the office

Archaea

3/23/23 12:23pm

It's the managers who know deep down we could probably do without them

justAnotherCoug

3/23/23 11:21am

They're indispensable

MarylandFan

3/23/23 11:25am

The people most opposed to WFH are the people who have to pay $100 for $75 worth of work.

HarlemCoug

3/23/23 11:27am

Not everyone has the personality or discipline or skill set to do it.

niqmadu

3/23/23 11:35am

Elon Musk, Jaime Dimon, the list goes on and you look pretty foolish.

Acorn

3/23/23 11:37am

Nah. Elons looking for ways to fire people, and his WFH stance is one filter for that. It’ll work better for some

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 2:20pm

Or shareholders, board & owners who know/believe wfh team aren’t as productive?

BYUfan92

3/23/23 12:16pm

Managers are realizing 2/3s lack the discipline to be more productive from home.

Forzaitalia

3/23/23 12:25pm

I love how everyone’s arguing this while currently working at work or remote 🤣

Magneto

3/23/23 3:04pm

Or the people who would rather start working at 7:30 than be in traffic from

ballen

3/23/23 11:12am

Or those who would rather be golfing at 7:30AM, and working at midnight.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 11:23am

I disagree. My most productive people are the ones who fight the hardest for it.

Japan Coug

3/23/23 11:12am

Top people value flexibility as much as anyone else. It's really simple,

Mitty

3/23/23 7:04pm

This, I go into the office every day. But I like flexible with the hours.

JohnnyC

3/24/23 5:42am

WFH prevents me from having to move 1,000 miles and change countries

Indy Coug

3/23/23 11:13am

Then you have the wrong people.

Kelbob

3/23/23 11:13am

Most people are the wrong people

MormonThug

3/23/23 11:15am

Guess you need to work on your ability to find the right people.

Kelbob

3/23/23 11:20am

Or maybe they have the wrong manager.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 11:24am

Sounds like it to me

Kelbob

3/23/23 11:24am

RE: Sounds like it to me

MormonThug

3/23/23 12:04pm

But I love firing the wrong people so much

MormonThug

3/23/23 11:25am

All really broad paint brushers SUCK...

whirl

3/23/23 11:14am

^works from home

MormonThug

3/23/23 11:15am

No, and you suck at painting.

whirl

3/23/23 11:17am

^lies

MormonThug

3/23/23 11:25am

RE: All really broad paint brushers SUCK...

Florida Man

3/23/23 11:15am

RE: The least productive people fight the hardest to defend work from home.

Cougarnovas

3/23/23 11:15am

My wife just got a promotion, a nice raise, and her largest bonus ever.

El Careeb

3/23/23 11:15am

We had a remote HR person telling people that they need to stop complaining

Ozymandias

3/23/23 11:15am

I disagree. Why go to office to sit in a cubicle and be distracted by

BNcoug

3/23/23 11:16am

Sounds like WFH with kids around

SUAVO

3/23/23 11:24am

proved it. Took 5 mins. Now everyone get back to work.

MormonThug

3/23/23 11:17am

I actually wonder how average posts/person/day compares pre-, during-, and post-COVID

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 11:18am

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MormonThug

3/23/23 11:23am

CB right now:

John Doe

3/23/23 11:18am

Funny thing is that those complaining incessantly about WFH are management

bluelands

3/23/23 11:18am

It's all the people Facebook just realized they could do without

justAnotherCoug

3/23/23 11:23am

Yup. They just need to figure out how to manage people who work from home. NBD.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 11:25am

This is what is really going on behind the scenes

byukarl

3/23/23 12:04pm

I'm in a sales group and our most productive sales agents work at home

byukarl

3/23/23 11:18am

I don’t know that they fight the hardest for it, but IME they are the most vocal

RevolutionDeathsquad

3/23/23 11:19am

I think it comes down to the individual. Like everything else in life blanket

byukarl

3/23/23 11:22am

There are no unproductive people if you hire the right people and have the right

Skeptical Optimist

3/23/23 11:21am

Exactly, good workers take pride and will produce anywhere that is set up

Mitty

3/23/23 7:10pm

Not sure if that's true but if I'm going to be an office wage slave that never

Lord Jim

3/23/23 11:22am

Every employee/manager/office/industry is different

MarylandFan

3/23/23 11:23am

Says the controlling, top-down manager who fears losing control of his employees

FiveTen-BuckEighty

3/23/23 11:36am

I think this quote makes more sense when you’re in a low stakes business where screw ups are fine

JollyGreenGiant

3/23/23 11:49am

This discussion is endless and unresolvable.

MarylandFan

3/23/23 11:51am

Businesses are terrible at tracking the productivity of office workers, and that

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 11:50am

Productivity is pretty visible when you are in the office together. In fact, it

Acorn

3/23/23 11:56am

It depends on the job. Stop acting like it doesn't.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 12:02pm

Disagree. It is easy to spot pathetic workers in the office. Always has been.

Acorn

3/23/23 12:07pm

Busyness isn't productivity. I stand by my claim that there have to be better

FiveTen-BuckEighty

3/23/23 12:29pm

Busyness. You have no idea what I am speaking of.

Acorn

3/23/23 1:45pm

I think you'd find more consensus on a board of accountants near retirement age.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 2:48pm

You don't think it's possible that WFH works better for some people? Sorry, but

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 12:47pm

TLDR. Your first question - did you even read the post that you replied to?

Acorn

3/23/23 1:54pm

There ya go again.. general blanket statement with no proof

byukarl

3/23/23 12:52pm

Sales isn't office work. It is easily measured and paid by commission.

Acorn

3/23/23 1:39pm

Great managers can measure productivity everywhere.

VACOUGFAN

3/23/23 1:38pm

Well then, I must not be great in your eyes. I can live with that.

Acorn

3/23/23 2:02pm

Not insulting you. Just calling you a "good manager" as you effectively called

VACOUGFAN

3/23/23 2:06pm

Anyone who throws around blanket statements loses credibility fast with me.

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 2:49pm

Sounds like a good manager would have seen that you were overstaffed by 5 people before and cut it to 9 earlier…

Mike Honcho

3/23/23 2:23pm

Elon Musk and Jaime Dimon seem pretty successful, but that is just probably me.

Acorn

3/23/23 11:51am

Work from home must die

Backcountry

3/23/23 12:09pm

"I don't like it, so nobody should do it"

dYrtbYkerYder

3/23/23 2:52pm

Exactly.

Backcountry

3/23/23 3:32pm

They fight the hardest not to work when at work.

waveslayer

3/23/23 3:06pm

We did a poll of 40,000+ employees and 78% said

Helm Hammerhand

3/23/23 8:21pm

India?

Backcountry

3/23/23 8:42pm

US, Canada and Scotland

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