Unlikely. I'm dealing with the science right now, that is more of a question of

Jan 4, 2014
10:32:07am

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politics. I encourage everyone to separate the science from the politics. In addition, we can't fully understand the benefits of combating it until we understand the harmful effects.

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Past climate change and evidence for current anthropogenic global warming

Defenestrator

1/4/14 10:01am

Thank you for sharing, I highly doubt people will troll this post.

CougarHut

1/4/14 10:02am

tub fart

Mayor of Cougartown

1/4/14 11:22pm

We'll never get India or China on board with carbon reduction plans. Even if

SandYFan

1/4/14 10:04am

What to do about it is a conversation I would love to have another day.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 10:06am

Like I said, that's all fine and dandy, but it's meaningless. Even if everyone

SandYFan

1/4/14 10:07am

China will change sooner thank you think. India maybe not.

evanshrugged

1/4/14 12:30pm

Ok now show me why I should give a crap

cheezedawg

1/4/14 10:07am

That will be the subject of a follow up topic.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 10:11am

Good thing the earth isn't human!

BYUCoug11

1/4/14 10:15am

It was merely an example to show the drastic effects that seemingly slight

Defenestrator

1/4/14 10:18am

You seem pretty sure that you've convinced everyone with your extremely long

BYUCoug11

1/4/14 10:24am

You can debate the data but to choose to ignore it is ignorant.

RobDog

2/28/17 10:26am

That's a nonsense question.

cheezedawg

1/4/14 10:16am

In my next installment I will show how your question was equally nonsense;)

Defenestrator

1/4/14 10:19am

I look forward to it.

cheezedawg

1/4/14 10:24am

Btw- I assume your next installment will include a cost-benefit analysis of

cheezedawg

1/4/14 10:27am

Unlikely. I'm dealing with the science right now, that is more of a question of

Defenestrator

1/4/14 10:32am

Then what is your point? "Proving" the harmful effects of

cheezedawg

1/4/14 10:49am

While I agree that it is important to separate politics from the science,

Y Mountain

1/4/14 11:10am

RE: While I agree that it is important to separate politics from the science,

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:17am

Nor do I, but I don't think sub-par technology should be implemented if the cost

Y Mountain

1/4/14 11:25am

I agree. Most of our money at this stage should be spent on R&D, not trying to

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:29am

This is the problem. There is no defensible reason for the costs that

Y Mountain

1/4/14 11:07am

The evidence is solid. The question is what can we do about it? I would agree

RobDog

2/28/17 10:40am

can't go it alone? We're among the worst offenders

Dissenter

2/11/19 8:20am

The absurdity of this statement shows why you really aren't qualified to

marcusaurelius

1/4/14 12:57pm

You are reading way too much into that statement. The evidence speaks, not me.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 1:06pm

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Mall Santa

1/4/14 10:24am

So are you a weekend warrior or do you actually have credentials in this field?

WDaddy

1/4/14 10:25am

*crickets* The lack of response tells me all I need to know

WDaddy

1/4/14 10:44am

as soon as we get warmer, all my land holdings in wisconsin will be worth bank.

TN_Coug

1/4/14 10:25am

Global warming is supposedly causing

Cougrrrs Roll

1/4/14 11:42pm

I appreciate your efforts.

PJMort

1/4/14 10:30am

This doesn't seem like an original thought and you copy and pasted

SBJ

1/4/14 10:31am

What blog did he copy and paste from?

dchandle15

1/4/14 10:59am

I think he is refering to the caption that I borrowed from skepticalscience.com

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:09am

Are you a climate scientist?

WDaddy

1/4/14 11:12am

Manbearpig really is real? Who knew

Sgt Schultz

1/4/14 10:35am

Pretty sure your "facts" got debunked yesterday:

Will Stanton

1/4/14 10:37am

Hardly.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 10:40am

So let me get this straight, you are using sources that back up your claim

WhoisJohnGalt

1/4/14 10:59am

You actually have it quite crooked.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:15am

OK, so please explain to me WHY we are not seeing the increase

jdub

1/4/14 10:49am

Please hold while he surfs the internet aggregating information

WDaddy

1/4/14 10:57am

This is my primary question as well.

Y Mountain

1/4/14 11:04am

RE: This is my primary question as well.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:35am

So, you don't know how the oceans are warming,

jdub

1/4/14 11:44am

Not at all. You seem to be ignoring all the fingerprints of warming by caused

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:56am

I appreciate the honesty

Y Mountain

1/4/14 11:48am

I think the key issue here is separating the earth as a whole from individual

Defenestrator

1/4/14 12:00pm

RE: OK, so please explain to me WHY we are not seeing the increase

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:28am

I don't think that answers his (our) question.

Y Mountain

1/4/14 11:32am

You effectively avoided the question

jdub

1/4/14 11:35am

RE: You effectively avoided the question

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:54am

You make the same mistake. Do you really think 60 years is really that long from

marcusaurelius

1/4/14 1:07pm

60 years is more than enough time to factor out all know natural cycles, which

Defenestrator

1/4/14 2:52pm

Except there are 100,000 year cycle and other cycles that don't appear to be

marcusaurelius

1/6/14 4:18pm

Prove it mathematically ... it should be easy to do

youngbuck

1/4/14 11:26am

there was never anything remotely close to any kind of scientific consensus for

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:40am

Since when is science about consensus?

Michael Skarn

1/4/14 3:54pm

And I was pointing out how the media driven ice age scare of the 60/70's was not

Defenestrator

1/4/14 4:07pm

You're actually talking in circles and making false claims

Michael Skarn

1/6/14 2:16pm

The head of the UN IPCC disagrees with you. Temps have not increased for

scvcoug

1/4/14 11:32am

see the topic linked at the beginning of this thread.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 11:37am

I saw the thread, but it still doesn

scvcoug

1/4/14 11:52am

Oops--I saw the thread. It doesn't change the fact that

scvcoug

1/4/14 11:56am

You seem to be confusing atmospheric temperature with global heat content

Defenestrator

1/4/14 12:05pm

Ah yes the magic heat--heat from the sun passes through the atmosphere

scvcoug

1/4/14 10:10pm

This seems like a good research review, but not necessarily great evidence

dchandle15

1/4/14 11:34am

RE: This seems like a good research review, but not necessarily great evidence

Defenestrator

1/4/14 12:05pm

And I understand it takes a long time to do a research review like this one

dchandle15

1/4/14 12:14pm

Yeah, I probably tried to cover too much too quickly.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 12:25pm

It's kind of an interesting discussion to have, you might want to make it a

dchandle15

1/4/14 12:32pm

Now I will try to clear up some of the fuzzy areas and fill in some holes.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 12:39pm

If the point of your posting was just to give research, it is decent

dchandle15

1/4/14 12:55pm

Understandable. Thanks for your constructive input.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 1:07pm

First of all

BigEasyCougar

1/4/14 11:56am

RE: First of all

Defenestrator

1/4/14 12:19pm

RE: First of all

BigEasyCougar

1/4/14 1:25pm

RE: First of all

Defenestrator

1/4/14 1:39pm

Thanks , I will read them

BigEasyCougar

1/4/14 3:08pm

This is spot on. Even if warming is caused by humans there's a lo t of evidence

marcusaurelius

1/4/14 1:19pm

Could I see this evidence for negative feedback loops?

Defenestrator

1/4/14 1:43pm

Well the quick rebalancing of climate after volcanic eruptions is just one quick

marcusaurelius

1/4/14 5:56pm

Can I see the evidence for the positive feedback loop. Certainly not the lack

scvcoug

1/4/14 10:12pm

Adaptation is the best answer I've heard to the problem

riseandshout

1/4/14 4:07pm

That is indeed a huge question.

Defenestrator

1/4/14 5:01pm

I think we are far more likely to solve any climate problems through

marcusaurelius

1/4/14 6:01pm

I wonder how many fossil fuels were required to produce the electricity you used

byutx

1/4/14 12:05pm

Can someone please send some of that global warming here for the next few days?

mwcoug

1/4/14 12:49pm

Thanks ... interesting stuff

coolcats

1/4/14 4:47pm

I read somewhere CO2 from caveman campfires ended the ice age

Francisco d'Anconia

1/4/14 5:11pm

I hear a lot of “so what, nothing can be done, it’s too expensive”, etc.

So it goes...

1/4/14 6:42pm

What the global warming crowd wants to do

Cougrrrs Roll

1/4/14 11:20pm

"No one wants to destroy our environment or pollute the air and water". Yet we

So it goes...

1/5/14 12:10am

It's not about science, it's about liberty or tyranny

Texan

1/4/14 7:13pm

I hate to be the one to give you this breaking news, but 2013 is already over

So it goes...

1/4/14 7:25pm

I think it might still be 2013 in Japan or somewhere.

coolcats

1/4/14 8:31pm

It all proves nothing

Cougrrrs Roll

1/4/14 11:06pm

This will be his response:

WDaddy

1/4/14 11:51pm

Not sure if this has been asked before.

rtNelson

1/5/14 2:11am

Some of the ramifications are discussed in this post and in the article linked

Japan Coug

1/5/14 4:02am

You aren't gonna like the ramifications...

detmer4prez

1/6/14 8:36am

Is it really possible to get the politics out of this?

DazeofBlue

1/5/14 7:37am

Have you seen the latest IPCC report?

jkccoug

1/5/14 12:52pm

For your next trick could you tell us all how vaccines cause autism?

detmer4prez

1/6/14 8:43am

One issue is backed by science one is not. We don't get to just choose what

RobDog

2/28/17 2:55pm

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