When the only passes we completed last year were five yarders

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Jun 19, 2017
9:49:06pm

cougarmanguy All-American

The backs sag on the receivers and no one gets open no matter how fast they were. Hifo, Jonah, etc.

Then taysom rifled the ball in as hard as he could. Rinse, repeat

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Jonah's 40 time is ammended to a ridiculous 4.32

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:23pm

Bo Jackson? Is that you?

TyPower2016

6/19/17 9:25pm

His only glaring weakness imo is he's not very elusive. It's why

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:30pm

Hifo was not favored over him

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:31pm

Not favored by Detmer, perhaps--but certainly favored early by Taysom.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:34pm

I think that's fair but to me that goes to taysoms

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:35pm

Absolutely. Jonah shoulda had a bigger year last year based on his ability alone

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:37pm

It also didn't help that JT's routes took longer to develop

6/20/17 1:20am

While tht's not an invalid point Taysom bought himself plenty of time most games

mantis mutu

6/20/17 10:12am

Hifo was our go to receiver last year

vagabonder

6/20/17 5:08am

i noticed that trend too, just really bad luck on some bobbled would be

here's to hoping

6/20/17 6:19am

Was hard to watch him struggle. He's been an exciting player to watch from high

90sCougar

6/20/17 11:43am

The threat of Mangum to Jonah 3-4 times per game could keep the defense honest

Jericho

6/19/17 9:33pm

That combined with a TE threat to the middle of the field opens up all sorts of

Six Foot Seven

6/19/17 9:34pm

I'm very optimistic about Bushman. I think he's the real deal

Jericho

6/19/17 9:35pm

the play that will break nearly any teams back is the backside post. If you can set up the blocking, I'm sure Jonah and

ChinaFan

6/19/17 10:56pm

Sure he is. Watch him earlier in the season. Put him in the position to do

Lip Gallagher

6/19/17 9:39pm

Maybe so. But if I had to choose a receiver to work in space, I'd go with Hifo.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:42pm

So he is elusive but guys are always draped over him? Doesn't sound elusive

TNT

6/19/17 9:43pm

When the only passes we completed last year were five yarders

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:49pm

Agreed. Last year wasn't really a fair test of Jonah's capabilities

TNT

6/19/17 9:49pm

But Hifo was clearly more effective in those situations. That was my only point.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:51pm

It seems like I remember Jonah going over the middle quite often. But I am not

crack

6/19/17 9:53pm

He was forced to play a lot in ways contrary to his strengths, I think. He may

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:55pm

That's true. While his long catch against Toledo was great, my favorite play of

crack

6/19/17 10:01pm

Have him teach someone else how to actually block for him on a screen and

Lip Gallagher

6/19/17 10:02pm

I trust Detmer will have the receivers blocking much better this year.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:09pm

Any idea when in the AZ game that screen was? Can't find it.

Radioactive Coug

6/20/17 7:29am

Can't look right now but watch Hill vs AZ on byu cuts youtube and

Lip Gallagher

6/20/17 8:21am

not sure why you remember hifo being better in any way.

here's to hoping

6/19/17 10:32pm

And through the 1st 5 games? (Mind we're comparing a JC All Amer w a true Frosh)

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:35pm

what about the first 5 games? I don't know what you mean.

here's to hoping

6/19/17 10:41pm

I thought I remember Hifo being favored early (though he really

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:45pm

I didn't pay enough attention to who made people miss. I do remember, as I

here's to hoping

6/19/17 10:59pm

Trinnaman is definitely faster & was more dependable on several levels.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 11:05pm

I hope Hifo has a great career, here's to hoping.

here's to hoping

6/19/17 11:13pm

I don't think so. They tried to get their best on the field, especially speed, and keeping those two in the same spot

macaroni

6/19/17 11:11pm

RE: So he is elusive but guys are always draped over him? Doesn't sound elusive

Lip Gallagher

6/19/17 9:54pm

Fair enough

TNT

6/19/17 10:11pm

Not with you on this one. They played different positions. Hifo played in the slot where he was able to showcase his

macaroni

6/19/17 11:08pm

I think this video proves his worth and elusiveness.

MoMoney88

6/20/17 8:45am

Hitches and Slants

Six Foot Seven

6/20/17 8:56am

Let's get him the dang ball in stride.

holipuluki

6/19/17 9:42pm

Half of that is letting him run under it

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:43pm

Ssuuuuuuure

Backcountry

6/19/17 9:43pm

He got open deep all year last year

Turnpike Lane

6/19/17 9:44pm

Remember the flea flicker versus Cincinnati?

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:45pm

Not quite as off the mark as Riley in Southbend, but almost as deflating.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:48pm

Taysom was Riley Nelson 2.0 last year

TNT

6/19/17 9:48pm

I wish Taysom had half of Riley's touch & vision, cuz his superior athleticism &

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:59pm

TNT will give it to Riley. Dude was tough as nails

TNT

6/19/17 10:02pm

If he coulda learned to throw away on a broken play (or Doman had reigned him in

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:07pm

It's so difficult to see in a vacuum but it seemed like Taysom was really

TNT

6/19/17 10:09pm

I think his arm in that game is over-hyped. His legs were still what opened

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:14pm

Seems reasonable

TNT

6/19/17 10:15pm

I haven't really looked at the numbers, but

Y05

6/20/17 1:02am

Nebraska--like Texas--over-respected Taysom's speed a bit, I think.

mantis mutu

6/20/17 9:21am

The offense changed on him too.

Y'zFan

6/19/17 10:22pm

True

TNT

6/19/17 10:24pm

I think some of that came from his foot not being totally healed

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:25pm

That very well could be. His trajectory & touch were never pretty

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:28pm

His plant foot was a problem all year

6/20/17 1:35am

I felt the same way. His passing was sharp.

SoutheastIdaCoug

6/20/17 6:53am

Riley 0.5 more like

Backcountry

6/19/17 10:12pm

Got to get to 4.2's first

CarolinaCoug

6/19/17 9:49pm

I'll buy you dinner if he actually runs that time at the nfl combine.

RdF3

6/19/17 10:10pm

What did Jamaal run? 4.59?

TNT

6/19/17 10:11pm

Yes. And it just seems nobody actually runs as good of a time at the combine as

RdF3

6/19/17 10:13pm

The two guys (at least who are coming to mind) who ran as fast as everyone

TNT

6/19/17 10:14pm

Well, at the byu pro day most everyone ran faster than we thought they might

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:16pm

Are those hand timed? How do they measure it at pro day?

TNT

6/19/17 10:17pm

Laser

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:19pm

Hmmmmmmmm

TNT

6/19/17 10:24pm

Nope. Hand

BlueFrog

6/19/17 10:31pm

At pro day? My mistake. Could have sworn

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:33pm

Hand timed by about 10 people. They come up with consensus time. This might

BlueFrog

6/19/17 10:35pm

That's my point though. Pro day times way faster than combine times.

RdF3

6/19/17 10:20pm

Jamaal ran about what we thought didn't he?

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:21pm

Seems like Sorenson exceeded expectations also.

deljdc

6/20/17 9:04am

He's going to be pretty close to that

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:15pm

he needs to make sure he wears the right shoes to get the island

Nat Gas Man

6/19/17 10:17pm

What's his catch/drop ratio? What's his strength off the line? Yards/game?

Y4LYFE

6/19/17 11:03pm

He had 28 returns last year, recorded 11.5 yards per return. Arguably, his best

here's to hoping

6/19/17 11:20pm

I just wish a 40 time translated to more than just running fast...

Bonoman

6/19/17 11:13pm

in the 40, 4.32 and 4.21 are light years apart

indojoe

6/19/17 11:19pm

curve gets reaaalllly steep below the 4.35 mark

formerly utesplease

6/19/17 11:23pm

the thing kills me is that the difference is actually meaningless. No one can catch a ball in a full 4.22 stride, and

ChinaFan

6/19/17 11:28pm

?? There is a big difference. Especially once the ball is caught.

indojoe

6/19/17 11:42pm

how is half a step a BIG difference? That is all we are talking about, literally half steps, not 2-3 yards. After the

ChinaFan

6/20/17 12:07am

1/2 step is all it takes, especially from the offensive positions

mosterlow

6/20/17 12:41am

The difference between Taysom Hill's 4.44 and Ross's 4.22 is not half a step, it's at least 2-3 full strides.

indojoe

6/20/17 8:45am

not even comparable, the straight line acceleration and top end speed are different, and of course two people running

ChinaFan

6/20/17 5:55pm

Hilarious that so many Utes have to comment on that tweet.

BYUCougarsFan

6/19/17 11:34pm

Every time a Utah player sub 4.5 40 time is put out its the same from you guys

formerly utesplease

6/20/17 11:14pm

Who's your radio guy? Do a lot of BYU fans follow him on twitter and reply to it

BYUCougarsFan

6/21/17 12:09am

Big deal. Every Ute runs a sub 4.3

macdizzle

6/19/17 11:40pm

Including the punter and kw's grandma

Idahofallsblue

6/19/17 11:45pm

Well it's clear where the Whittingham's get their athletic ability from

TNT

6/20/17 7:55am

I ate my grandma!

ugo1st

6/20/17 9:45am

Speed is of secondary importance.

Gorum the Old

6/20/17 7:55am

I never pay any attention to these hand timed forties by coaches.

Josef K

6/20/17 8:27am

I believe they were laser timed this week. That would be nice to know.

90sCougar

6/20/17 11:38am

I don't think so. Stoshine typically lasers the first 20yards only. And its

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

6/20/17 2:26pm

I thought the 4.32 time we are talking about in this thread for Trinnaman was

90sCougar

6/20/17 3:55pm

Hand timed

BlueFrog

6/20/17 4:34pm

I made an assumption that Stro was there helping with stat recording since he

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

6/22/17 4:43am

Heard from some players it was full laser. No Stroshine. Just secondhand info...

90sCougar

6/22/17 12:40pm

Good to know. Hope its true

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

6/22/17 12:48pm

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