He was forced to play a lot in ways contrary to his strengths, I think. He may

Jun 19, 2017
9:55:36pm

mantis mutu All-American

have been our most reliable blocker among the receivers from what I could see, though. I think the coaches turned to him a lot as a blocker.

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Jonah's 40 time is ammended to a ridiculous 4.32

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:23pm

Bo Jackson? Is that you?

TyPower2016

6/19/17 9:25pm

His only glaring weakness imo is he's not very elusive. It's why

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:30pm

Hifo was not favored over him

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:31pm

Not favored by Detmer, perhaps--but certainly favored early by Taysom.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:34pm

I think that's fair but to me that goes to taysoms

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:35pm

Absolutely. Jonah shoulda had a bigger year last year based on his ability alone

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:37pm

It also didn't help that JT's routes took longer to develop

6/20/17 1:20am

While tht's not an invalid point Taysom bought himself plenty of time most games

mantis mutu

6/20/17 10:12am

Hifo was our go to receiver last year

vagabonder

6/20/17 5:08am

i noticed that trend too, just really bad luck on some bobbled would be

here's to hoping

6/20/17 6:19am

Was hard to watch him struggle. He's been an exciting player to watch from high

90sCougar

6/20/17 11:43am

The threat of Mangum to Jonah 3-4 times per game could keep the defense honest

Jericho

6/19/17 9:33pm

That combined with a TE threat to the middle of the field opens up all sorts of

Six Foot Seven

6/19/17 9:34pm

I'm very optimistic about Bushman. I think he's the real deal

Jericho

6/19/17 9:35pm

the play that will break nearly any teams back is the backside post. If you can set up the blocking, I'm sure Jonah and

ChinaFan

6/19/17 10:56pm

Sure he is. Watch him earlier in the season. Put him in the position to do

Lip Gallagher

6/19/17 9:39pm

Maybe so. But if I had to choose a receiver to work in space, I'd go with Hifo.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:42pm

So he is elusive but guys are always draped over him? Doesn't sound elusive

TNT

6/19/17 9:43pm

When the only passes we completed last year were five yarders

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:49pm

Agreed. Last year wasn't really a fair test of Jonah's capabilities

TNT

6/19/17 9:49pm

But Hifo was clearly more effective in those situations. That was my only point.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:51pm

It seems like I remember Jonah going over the middle quite often. But I am not

crack

6/19/17 9:53pm

He was forced to play a lot in ways contrary to his strengths, I think. He may

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:55pm

That's true. While his long catch against Toledo was great, my favorite play of

crack

6/19/17 10:01pm

Have him teach someone else how to actually block for him on a screen and

Lip Gallagher

6/19/17 10:02pm

I trust Detmer will have the receivers blocking much better this year.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:09pm

Any idea when in the AZ game that screen was? Can't find it.

Radioactive Coug

6/20/17 7:29am

Can't look right now but watch Hill vs AZ on byu cuts youtube and

Lip Gallagher

6/20/17 8:21am

not sure why you remember hifo being better in any way.

here's to hoping

6/19/17 10:32pm

And through the 1st 5 games? (Mind we're comparing a JC All Amer w a true Frosh)

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:35pm

what about the first 5 games? I don't know what you mean.

here's to hoping

6/19/17 10:41pm

I thought I remember Hifo being favored early (though he really

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:45pm

I didn't pay enough attention to who made people miss. I do remember, as I

here's to hoping

6/19/17 10:59pm

Trinnaman is definitely faster & was more dependable on several levels.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 11:05pm

I hope Hifo has a great career, here's to hoping.

here's to hoping

6/19/17 11:13pm

I don't think so. They tried to get their best on the field, especially speed, and keeping those two in the same spot

macaroni

6/19/17 11:11pm

RE: So he is elusive but guys are always draped over him? Doesn't sound elusive

Lip Gallagher

6/19/17 9:54pm

Fair enough

TNT

6/19/17 10:11pm

Not with you on this one. They played different positions. Hifo played in the slot where he was able to showcase his

macaroni

6/19/17 11:08pm

I think this video proves his worth and elusiveness.

MoMoney88

6/20/17 8:45am

Hitches and Slants

Six Foot Seven

6/20/17 8:56am

Let's get him the dang ball in stride.

holipuluki

6/19/17 9:42pm

Half of that is letting him run under it

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:43pm

Ssuuuuuuure

Backcountry

6/19/17 9:43pm

He got open deep all year last year

Turnpike Lane

6/19/17 9:44pm

Remember the flea flicker versus Cincinnati?

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 9:45pm

Not quite as off the mark as Riley in Southbend, but almost as deflating.

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:48pm

Taysom was Riley Nelson 2.0 last year

TNT

6/19/17 9:48pm

I wish Taysom had half of Riley's touch & vision, cuz his superior athleticism &

mantis mutu

6/19/17 9:59pm

TNT will give it to Riley. Dude was tough as nails

TNT

6/19/17 10:02pm

If he coulda learned to throw away on a broken play (or Doman had reigned him in

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:07pm

It's so difficult to see in a vacuum but it seemed like Taysom was really

TNT

6/19/17 10:09pm

I think his arm in that game is over-hyped. His legs were still what opened

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:14pm

Seems reasonable

TNT

6/19/17 10:15pm

I haven't really looked at the numbers, but

Y05

6/20/17 1:02am

Nebraska--like Texas--over-respected Taysom's speed a bit, I think.

mantis mutu

6/20/17 9:21am

The offense changed on him too.

Y'zFan

6/19/17 10:22pm

True

TNT

6/19/17 10:24pm

I think some of that came from his foot not being totally healed

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:25pm

That very well could be. His trajectory & touch were never pretty

mantis mutu

6/19/17 10:28pm

His plant foot was a problem all year

6/20/17 1:35am

I felt the same way. His passing was sharp.

SoutheastIdaCoug

6/20/17 6:53am

Riley 0.5 more like

Backcountry

6/19/17 10:12pm

Got to get to 4.2's first

CarolinaCoug

6/19/17 9:49pm

I'll buy you dinner if he actually runs that time at the nfl combine.

RdF3

6/19/17 10:10pm

What did Jamaal run? 4.59?

TNT

6/19/17 10:11pm

Yes. And it just seems nobody actually runs as good of a time at the combine as

RdF3

6/19/17 10:13pm

The two guys (at least who are coming to mind) who ran as fast as everyone

TNT

6/19/17 10:14pm

Well, at the byu pro day most everyone ran faster than we thought they might

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:16pm

Are those hand timed? How do they measure it at pro day?

TNT

6/19/17 10:17pm

Laser

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:19pm

Hmmmmmmmm

TNT

6/19/17 10:24pm

Nope. Hand

BlueFrog

6/19/17 10:31pm

At pro day? My mistake. Could have sworn

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:33pm

Hand timed by about 10 people. They come up with consensus time. This might

BlueFrog

6/19/17 10:35pm

That's my point though. Pro day times way faster than combine times.

RdF3

6/19/17 10:20pm

Jamaal ran about what we thought didn't he?

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:21pm

Seems like Sorenson exceeded expectations also.

deljdc

6/20/17 9:04am

He's going to be pretty close to that

cougarmanguy

6/19/17 10:15pm

he needs to make sure he wears the right shoes to get the island

Nat Gas Man

6/19/17 10:17pm

What's his catch/drop ratio? What's his strength off the line? Yards/game?

Y4LYFE

6/19/17 11:03pm

He had 28 returns last year, recorded 11.5 yards per return. Arguably, his best

here's to hoping

6/19/17 11:20pm

I just wish a 40 time translated to more than just running fast...

Bonoman

6/19/17 11:13pm

in the 40, 4.32 and 4.21 are light years apart

indojoe

6/19/17 11:19pm

curve gets reaaalllly steep below the 4.35 mark

formerly utesplease

6/19/17 11:23pm

the thing kills me is that the difference is actually meaningless. No one can catch a ball in a full 4.22 stride, and

ChinaFan

6/19/17 11:28pm

?? There is a big difference. Especially once the ball is caught.

indojoe

6/19/17 11:42pm

how is half a step a BIG difference? That is all we are talking about, literally half steps, not 2-3 yards. After the

ChinaFan

6/20/17 12:07am

1/2 step is all it takes, especially from the offensive positions

mosterlow

6/20/17 12:41am

The difference between Taysom Hill's 4.44 and Ross's 4.22 is not half a step, it's at least 2-3 full strides.

indojoe

6/20/17 8:45am

not even comparable, the straight line acceleration and top end speed are different, and of course two people running

ChinaFan

6/20/17 5:55pm

Hilarious that so many Utes have to comment on that tweet.

BYUCougarsFan

6/19/17 11:34pm

Every time a Utah player sub 4.5 40 time is put out its the same from you guys

formerly utesplease

6/20/17 11:14pm

Who's your radio guy? Do a lot of BYU fans follow him on twitter and reply to it

BYUCougarsFan

6/21/17 12:09am

Big deal. Every Ute runs a sub 4.3

macdizzle

6/19/17 11:40pm

Including the punter and kw's grandma

Idahofallsblue

6/19/17 11:45pm

Well it's clear where the Whittingham's get their athletic ability from

TNT

6/20/17 7:55am

I ate my grandma!

ugo1st

6/20/17 9:45am

Speed is of secondary importance.

Gorum the Old

6/20/17 7:55am

I never pay any attention to these hand timed forties by coaches.

Josef K

6/20/17 8:27am

I believe they were laser timed this week. That would be nice to know.

90sCougar

6/20/17 11:38am

I don't think so. Stoshine typically lasers the first 20yards only. And its

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

6/20/17 2:26pm

I thought the 4.32 time we are talking about in this thread for Trinnaman was

90sCougar

6/20/17 3:55pm

Hand timed

BlueFrog

6/20/17 4:34pm

I made an assumption that Stro was there helping with stat recording since he

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

6/22/17 4:43am

Heard from some players it was full laser. No Stroshine. Just secondhand info...

90sCougar

6/22/17 12:40pm

Good to know. Hope its true

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

6/22/17 12:48pm

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