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Jun 20, 2017
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mosterlow
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1/2 step is all it takes, especially from the offensive positions
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Jonah's 40 time is ammended to a ridiculous 4.32
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 9:23pm
Bo Jackson? Is that you?
TyPower2016
6/19/17 9:25pm
His only glaring weakness imo is he's not very elusive. It's why
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:30pm
Hifo was not favored over him
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 9:31pm
Not favored by Detmer, perhaps--but certainly favored early by Taysom.
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:34pm
I think that's fair but to me that goes to taysoms
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 9:35pm
Absolutely. Jonah shoulda had a bigger year last year based on his ability alone
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:37pm
It also didn't help that JT's routes took longer to develop
g$
6/20/17 1:20am
While tht's not an invalid point Taysom bought himself plenty of time most games
mantis mutu
6/20/17 10:12am
Hifo was our go to receiver last year
vagabonder
6/20/17 5:08am
i noticed that trend too, just really bad luck on some bobbled would be
here's to hoping
6/20/17 6:19am
Was hard to watch him struggle. He's been an exciting player to watch from high
90sCougar
6/20/17 11:43am
The threat of Mangum to Jonah 3-4 times per game could keep the defense honest
Jericho
6/19/17 9:33pm
That combined with a TE threat to the middle of the field opens up all sorts of
Six Foot Seven
6/19/17 9:34pm
I'm very optimistic about Bushman. I think he's the real deal
Jericho
6/19/17 9:35pm
the play that will break nearly any teams back is the backside post. If you can set up the blocking, I'm sure Jonah and
ChinaFan
6/19/17 10:56pm
Sure he is. Watch him earlier in the season. Put him in the position to do
Lip Gallagher
6/19/17 9:39pm
Maybe so. But if I had to choose a receiver to work in space, I'd go with Hifo.
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:42pm
So he is elusive but guys are always draped over him? Doesn't sound elusive
TNT
6/19/17 9:43pm
When the only passes we completed last year were five yarders
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 9:49pm
Agreed. Last year wasn't really a fair test of Jonah's capabilities
TNT
6/19/17 9:49pm
But Hifo was clearly more effective in those situations. That was my only point.
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:51pm
It seems like I remember Jonah going over the middle quite often. But I am not
crack
6/19/17 9:53pm
He was forced to play a lot in ways contrary to his strengths, I think. He may
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:55pm
That's true. While his long catch against Toledo was great, my favorite play of
crack
6/19/17 10:01pm
Have him teach someone else how to actually block for him on a screen and
Lip Gallagher
6/19/17 10:02pm
I trust Detmer will have the receivers blocking much better this year.
mantis mutu
6/19/17 10:09pm
Any idea when in the AZ game that screen was? Can't find it.
Radioactive Coug
6/20/17 7:29am
Can't look right now but watch Hill vs AZ on byu cuts youtube and
Lip Gallagher
6/20/17 8:21am
not sure why you remember hifo being better in any way.
here's to hoping
6/19/17 10:32pm
And through the 1st 5 games? (Mind we're comparing a JC All Amer w a true Frosh)
mantis mutu
6/19/17 10:35pm
what about the first 5 games? I don't know what you mean.
here's to hoping
6/19/17 10:41pm
I thought I remember Hifo being favored early (though he really
mantis mutu
6/19/17 10:45pm
I didn't pay enough attention to who made people miss. I do remember, as I
here's to hoping
6/19/17 10:59pm
Trinnaman is definitely faster & was more dependable on several levels.
mantis mutu
6/19/17 11:05pm
I hope Hifo has a great career, here's to hoping.
here's to hoping
6/19/17 11:13pm
I don't think so. They tried to get their best on the field, especially speed, and keeping those two in the same spot
macaroni
6/19/17 11:11pm
RE: So he is elusive but guys are always draped over him? Doesn't sound elusive
Lip Gallagher
6/19/17 9:54pm
Fair enough
TNT
6/19/17 10:11pm
Not with you on this one. They played different positions. Hifo played in the slot where he was able to showcase his
macaroni
6/19/17 11:08pm
I think this video proves his worth and elusiveness.
MoMoney88
6/20/17 8:45am
Hitches and Slants
Six Foot Seven
6/20/17 8:56am
Let's get him the dang ball in stride.
holipuluki
6/19/17 9:42pm
Half of that is letting him run under it
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 9:43pm
Ssuuuuuuure
Backcountry
6/19/17 9:43pm
He got open deep all year last year
Turnpike Lane
6/19/17 9:44pm
Remember the flea flicker versus Cincinnati?
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 9:45pm
Not quite as off the mark as Riley in Southbend, but almost as deflating.
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:48pm
Taysom was Riley Nelson 2.0 last year
TNT
6/19/17 9:48pm
I wish Taysom had half of Riley's touch & vision, cuz his superior athleticism &
mantis mutu
6/19/17 9:59pm
TNT will give it to Riley. Dude was tough as nails
TNT
6/19/17 10:02pm
If he coulda learned to throw away on a broken play (or Doman had reigned him in
mantis mutu
6/19/17 10:07pm
It's so difficult to see in a vacuum but it seemed like Taysom was really
TNT
6/19/17 10:09pm
I think his arm in that game is over-hyped. His legs were still what opened
mantis mutu
6/19/17 10:14pm
Seems reasonable
TNT
6/19/17 10:15pm
I haven't really looked at the numbers, but
Y05
6/20/17 1:02am
Nebraska--like Texas--over-respected Taysom's speed a bit, I think.
mantis mutu
6/20/17 9:21am
The offense changed on him too.
Y'zFan
6/19/17 10:22pm
True
TNT
6/19/17 10:24pm
I think some of that came from his foot not being totally healed
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 10:25pm
That very well could be. His trajectory & touch were never pretty
mantis mutu
6/19/17 10:28pm
His plant foot was a problem all year
g$
6/20/17 1:35am
I felt the same way. His passing was sharp.
SoutheastIdaCoug
6/20/17 6:53am
Riley 0.5 more like
Backcountry
6/19/17 10:12pm
Got to get to 4.2's first
CarolinaCoug
6/19/17 9:49pm
I'll buy you dinner if he actually runs that time at the nfl combine.
RdF3
6/19/17 10:10pm
What did Jamaal run? 4.59?
TNT
6/19/17 10:11pm
Yes. And it just seems nobody actually runs as good of a time at the combine as
RdF3
6/19/17 10:13pm
The two guys (at least who are coming to mind) who ran as fast as everyone
TNT
6/19/17 10:14pm
Well, at the byu pro day most everyone ran faster than we thought they might
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 10:16pm
Are those hand timed? How do they measure it at pro day?
TNT
6/19/17 10:17pm
Laser
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 10:19pm
Hmmmmmmmm
TNT
6/19/17 10:24pm
Nope. Hand
BlueFrog
6/19/17 10:31pm
At pro day? My mistake. Could have sworn
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 10:33pm
Hand timed by about 10 people. They come up with consensus time. This might
BlueFrog
6/19/17 10:35pm
That's my point though. Pro day times way faster than combine times.
RdF3
6/19/17 10:20pm
Jamaal ran about what we thought didn't he?
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 10:21pm
Seems like Sorenson exceeded expectations also.
deljdc
6/20/17 9:04am
He's going to be pretty close to that
cougarmanguy
6/19/17 10:15pm
he needs to make sure he wears the right shoes to get the island
Nat Gas Man
6/19/17 10:17pm
What's his catch/drop ratio? What's his strength off the line? Yards/game?
Y4LYFE
6/19/17 11:03pm
He had 28 returns last year, recorded 11.5 yards per return. Arguably, his best
here's to hoping
6/19/17 11:20pm
I just wish a 40 time translated to more than just running fast...
Bonoman
6/19/17 11:13pm
in the 40, 4.32 and 4.21 are light years apart
indojoe
6/19/17 11:19pm
curve gets reaaalllly steep below the 4.35 mark
formerly utesplease
6/19/17 11:23pm
the thing kills me is that the difference is actually meaningless. No one can catch a ball in a full 4.22 stride, and
ChinaFan
6/19/17 11:28pm
?? There is a big difference. Especially once the ball is caught.
indojoe
6/19/17 11:42pm
how is half a step a BIG difference? That is all we are talking about, literally half steps, not 2-3 yards. After the
ChinaFan
6/20/17 12:07am
1/2 step is all it takes, especially from the offensive positions
mosterlow
6/20/17 12:41am
The difference between Taysom Hill's 4.44 and Ross's 4.22 is not half a step, it's at least 2-3 full strides.
indojoe
6/20/17 8:45am
not even comparable, the straight line acceleration and top end speed are different, and of course two people running
ChinaFan
6/20/17 5:55pm
Hilarious that so many Utes have to comment on that tweet.
BYUCougarsFan
6/19/17 11:34pm
Every time a Utah player sub 4.5 40 time is put out its the same from you guys
formerly utesplease
6/20/17 11:14pm
Who's your radio guy? Do a lot of BYU fans follow him on twitter and reply to it
BYUCougarsFan
6/21/17 12:09am
Big deal. Every Ute runs a sub 4.3
macdizzle
6/19/17 11:40pm
Including the punter and kw's grandma
Idahofallsblue
6/19/17 11:45pm
Well it's clear where the Whittingham's get their athletic ability from
TNT
6/20/17 7:55am
I ate my grandma!
ugo1st
6/20/17 9:45am
Speed is of secondary importance.
Gorum the Old
6/20/17 7:55am
I never pay any attention to these hand timed forties by coaches.
Josef K
6/20/17 8:27am
I believe they were laser timed this week. That would be nice to know.
90sCougar
6/20/17 11:38am
I don't think so. Stoshine typically lasers the first 20yards only. And its
NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN
6/20/17 2:26pm
I thought the 4.32 time we are talking about in this thread for Trinnaman was
90sCougar
6/20/17 3:55pm
Hand timed
BlueFrog
6/20/17 4:34pm
I made an assumption that Stro was there helping with stat recording since he
NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN
6/22/17 4:43am
Heard from some players it was full laser. No Stroshine. Just secondhand info...
90sCougar
6/22/17 12:40pm
Good to know. Hope its true
NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN
6/22/17 12:48pm
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