Probably because she didn’t set out to kill someone else. I’m not up on CA law,

Jan 31, 2018
1:35:09pm

gwalker All-American

but I believe 1st degree murder requires premeditation, which requires intent. If she had meant to kill someone else and hit his car while trying, the intent would transfer. Suicide probably doesn’t transfer the intent to another victim.

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So you try to commit suicide by driving the wrong way on the freeway, kill someone else, fail to kill yourself

Indy Coug Misunderstood

1/31/18 12:57pm

Make her wear a shirt with Ryan's face on it every day for the rest of her life.

SpiffCoug

1/31/18 1:20pm

People w her kinda condition need to be more heavily controlled is the problem.

mantis mutu

2/1/18 11:24am

Why not give her the death penalty? Win win right?

Mister P

1/31/18 1:22pm

Because suicidal people are mentally ill according to some.

SandYFan

1/31/18 1:27pm

"According to some"? Do you have your doubts that this is true?

AndyDwyer

1/31/18 1:31pm

Though I agree with your sentiment, it is interesting to think about.

indojoe

1/31/18 2:09pm

I'll chime in and confirm that most of the time with suicide that mental illness

TunaNoCrust

1/31/18 4:33pm

I'm going to disagree with your statement...

Eddie

2/1/18 11:15am

there's a difference between "mentally ill" and not thinking correctly.

fattycoug

2/3/18 3:06pm

Nope. Probably not mentally ill at all. Mind is obviously working as programmed.

Dillinger

1/31/18 1:35pm

You think a mentally stable person has a desire to kill themself, and acts on it?

SuperTank

1/31/18 3:09pm

Honestly Interesting question. Does the desire make the person mentally ill?

SUAVO

1/31/18 3:38pm

I do think convicts should be given the option of choosing the death penalty

chilango

1/31/18 1:45pm

I don't like the idea of giving murderous convicts choices

LifelongAP

1/31/18 3:32pm

hey, never thought about that before. I agree.

Return of the Yeti

1/31/18 4:33pm

Why would anyone volunteer to be castrated? Not saying I disagree just don't

Yunit

2/1/18 7:01am

chemically castrated..

coltonbyu

2/1/18 9:48am

Got it. That makes more sense. I can see them wanting to do this for sure.

Yunit

2/1/18 12:20pm

I don’t get why she was charged with 2nd degree and not 1st.

BLT-Coug

1/31/18 1:29pm

Probably because she didn’t set out to kill someone else. I’m not up on CA law,

gwalker

1/31/18 1:35pm

On the one hand, it would seem this method implies premeditating to hurt/kill someone else

Indy Coug

1/31/18 1:38pm

I don't know California law but isn't premeditation

Archaea

1/31/18 2:47pm

it's very unlikely she was thinking about the consequences.

fattycoug

2/3/18 3:10pm

1st is premeditated, no? Like an assassination.

chilango

1/31/18 1:42pm

She would not be convicted of first degree murder

Adrielle

1/31/18 5:38pm

Same thing happened in Utah, 18 months ago.

Everyman

1/31/18 1:34pm

Of course she survived. Another horrible human being

bluelands

1/31/18 1:54pm

So tragic

Cougarealist

1/31/18 1:41pm

what makes her different than a terrorist? Suicide driver plowing over innocent

buckeyecougarguy

1/31/18 2:15pm

You really need to familiarize yourself with the definition of what a terrorist is

Indy Coug

1/31/18 2:18pm

someone that drives into other people intentionally is part of my definition.

buckeyecougarguy

1/31/18 5:39pm

No difference. None.

ArchbishopMitty

1/31/18 2:26pm

The intentional use of terror mostly.

vagabonder

1/31/18 2:50pm

Trying to dodge a car coming at you at 70-80 mph driving the

bigjohn

1/31/18 4:58pm

You are correct. The end result is similar. But the classification isn't based on result. It's based on intent.

brj8

2/1/18 11:18am

They aren't homoicdal, they are mentally ill. she wasn't thinking about that,

fattycoug

2/3/18 3:09pm

Although no real substitute, can we at least hope she was an insured driver?

The Old Y

1/31/18 3:07pm

15/30 is the likely possibility.

Archaea

1/31/18 3:12pm

ive seen this same thing happen 3x in the last year.

coltonbyu

1/31/18 3:28pm

Too bad we can't honor her death wish. Capital punishment has it's place.

HighHorse

1/31/18 5:24pm

I have a 5 letter word for her

Y4LYFE

1/31/18 7:51pm

Kill 2 people right?

FightingCoug12

2/3/18 1:18pm

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