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Feb 11, 2019
2:14:19pm

OceanMang All-American

I can find a plethora of reputable scientific articles that promote both sides

of the argument.

I did a poor job of articulating it but my point was: we know a crapload of info about tobacco cigs but really very little of mj cigs.

What we need is for the Feds to open access to mj for researchers so that we can ultimately determine the positive/negative effects of consuming it in any one of the hundred ways that people consume it.

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OceanMang

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I remember in the 90's when Big Tobacco's reckoning came

2/11/19 11:00am

that's almost exactly how i feel. good post.

riboflavin

2/11/19 11:02am

the medical science behind it really is sparse.. mostly because it hasn't been

cougfanz

2/11/19 11:04am

Exactly. Believe we'll see limited benefits for a very small, specific population but pretty significant

soupie

2/11/19 11:11am

Maybe. BUT the research you linked to and from the OP article

2/11/19 12:50pm

Don't believe we ever talked about addictive properties. It would most likely be psychological anyway.

soupie

2/11/19 1:07pm

This is what is maddening.

bluecheese

2/11/19 11:14am

But there are countries where it is legal.

autonomous

2/11/19 11:16am

Too much effort. Too busy chillin and snackin.

soupie

2/11/19 11:18am

Probably all about the $. Research is expensive, street mj is cheap.

bluecheese

2/11/19 11:18am

dont' quote me but i've heard that >95% of worldwide drug funding is by US

cougfanz

2/11/19 11:23am

also, research $ is invested for discovery of new drugs. Do not expect a lot

runnincoug

2/11/19 1:24pm

The Fed needs to re classify it today so it can be researched more thouroighly

2/11/19 11:45am

Reclass wont do it. Its too avail in dark and lit markets. NIH should do it.

2/11/19 12:00pm

My son has severe epilepsy, and my wife and I were the primary plowhorses behind

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 11:59am

glad your son is doing better.. i would be interested in reading the study

cougfanz

2/11/19 12:09pm

Should've pointed out that the study was conducted by the University of Utah.

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 12:26pm

CBD has a lot of benefits, but really ≠ marijuana as most people know it

jkccoug

2/12/19 9:59am

Don't be too quick to dismiss the potential of THC. It is necessary for efficacy

PGVikingDad

2/12/19 11:11am

Amen

Slim

2/11/19 11:13am

I'm not overstating things to say that I am an expert regarding MMJ, and while I

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 11:29am

De classify and ler the research prove it.

2/11/19 11:48am

"Can outpace...at times?" Understatement of the year.

cracka

2/11/19 11:49am

yes the cannabdiols can be very helpful, but no need to smoke MMJ

nwcat

2/11/19 12:08pm

Smoke? Correct.

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 12:26pm

This is one of my two issues with legal MJ in my state: 1. smoking THC is harmful to virtually everyone,even if it holds

SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 12:52pm

After a review of research let me correct you.

2/11/19 2:07pm

What are your sources for your assertions? Also, you are bringing up issues that I did not (ie addiction)

SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 2:14pm

You mentioned Consequence(s) and risk(s) in addition to the schizophrenia

2/11/19 3:46pm

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SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 4:19pm

Oh good..so all things with no proven links. Hopefully

2/11/19 11:44pm

You high now?

Blue2thebone

2/12/19 1:49am

Liquor is even worse IMO. Yet the FDA looks the other way

Croweater

2/11/19 11:42am

Actually the research proves your opinion is correct in many areas.

2/11/19 2:07pm

Great post. Especially when it comes to smoking MJ. Why all of a sudden we are good with

2/11/19 11:48am

I am no expert here but from what I understand the major issue with cigs is all

OceanMang

2/11/19 12:17pm

Nope. There is nothing harmless about marijuana smoke

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 1:02pm

Exactly. It’s a fact that smoke in the lungs is not good. No debate there.

2/11/19 1:12pm

Correct....but at what rates? Water in the lings isnt either.

2/11/19 2:19pm

Water in the lungs? I don’t get that comparison.

2/11/19 2:24pm

Smoking cigarettes...pipe different impact. Cigars..different effect..mj,

2/11/19 7:26pm

Yeah. Like I said. Smoke is bad for the lungs. Period.

2/11/19 7:35pm

Correct. Some smoking inhalants are worse than others.

2/11/19 8:12pm

Somewhere between bad for you and really bad for you.

2/11/19 8:25pm

Yep, which why aspirating water is bad.

thecthdox

2/11/19 6:33pm

Cancer from MJ is something that I believe has affected my family.

2/11/19 1:13pm

Could very well be..but he could also be an outlier..or he could be. Utah

2/11/19 2:21pm

I believe if you isolate the chemicals w/ therapeutic value to be administered in better methods

soupie

2/11/19 1:25pm

Yes it needs reclassification immediately. Rec use and med use are separate

2/11/19 2:27pm

Hard to draw those conclusions w/o better testing.

soupie

2/11/19 4:43pm

I can find a plethora of reputable scientific articles that promote both sides

OceanMang

2/11/19 2:14pm

Well, I agree with you that marijuana should be studied more

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:21pm

This is my thinking as well.

2/11/19 7:25pm

Legalizing it for use isn't necessary for research. In fact, that would be pretty dangerous. It does need to

soupie

2/11/19 7:25pm

You mean that "coukd" be pretty dangerous. Though

2/11/19 7:35pm

Legalizing it would remove the stigma and eliminate the black market. More

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:37pm

Cart before horse.

soupie

2/11/19 7:44pm

Perhaps. I can agree with that to an extent.

2/11/19 8:12pm

Incense...I wouldn' doubt what you are saying is true,can you Verif with a coupl

2/11/19 2:14pm

As I noted above, it all depends on the dosage. And most pot smokers probably

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:23pm

And I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that living in Utah raises your

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:32pm

Smoking MJ would be a significant risk for airway diseases

Ernie

2/12/19 11:07am

Yeah. Im not sure why smoking would be b3st,bu5 its possible

2/11/19 2:09pm

I’ve lost a nephew and two ward members over the years to opioid overdose

USMCdad

2/11/19 12:00pm

My prediction is that medical MJ will not replace opioids as a viable option for sever pain control.

2/11/19 12:02pm

Totally? Of course not too much variability in people.

2/11/19 2:30pm

Brother, I don’t understand what you’re sayin here.

2/11/19 2:45pm

400ish Utah opiod deaths in Utah last year. 0 MJ deaths.

2/11/19 2:29pm

An estimated 440 people in Utah will die from lung cancer this year.

autonomous

2/11/19 2:52pm

Your last your last statement is irresponsible. Imo.Whicj is why i 4jonk

2/11/19 3:40pm

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MMCougIII

2/11/19 3:51pm

No I dont and have stated I dont. I also dont want to overstate its impact.

2/11/19 4:05pm

Im the one seeking data. You seem fine with throwing out unsustantiated claims

2/11/19 4:11pm

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MMCougIII

2/11/19 4:16pm

Here’s what UW thinks.

autonomous

2/11/19 10:40pm

Apparently UW doesn't think much of anything.

2/11/19 11:34pm

So anout 70 from non smokers..

2/11/19 3:41pm

I see people who have smoked pot. There brains just don’t work correctly or as

Powerbait DPM studnt

2/11/19 12:22pm

It’s interesting because i used to think that as well

USMCdad

2/11/19 12:31pm

You'd be surprised at the very bright businessmen, engineers, LEOs etc

OceanMang

2/11/19 12:33pm

Maybe. But my grandpa smoked a pack a day and lived to 100 years old. Does that

rcbyufan

2/11/19 12:36pm

Anecdotes rarely mean anything. I can show you hundreds of abnormal lung function tests in smokers who

SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 12:48pm

That's what I'm saying with MJ. My grandpa smoking a pack a day for 90 years

rcbyufan

2/11/19 1:25pm

The point of bringing sucessful people up is that not all people who smoke weed are brain dead pot heads.

Zilog

2/11/19 1:51pm

Fair enough. That's why I said maybe in my original post. Let's get some real

rcbyufan

2/11/19 2:48pm

Watch Joe Rogan and get back to me with your anectdotal evidence

2/11/19 2:34pm

What we do know about marijuana is that it over-activates the endocannabinoid

Ernie

2/12/19 11:14am

Behold modern day snake oil.

thecthdox

2/11/19 6:31pm

Largest pot study of which I'm aware, came out recently, and says:

canofpicante

2/11/19 9:20pm

Well that puts a damper on things.

2/11/19 9:49pm

Not if you read the study.

2/12/19 12:04am

It was 1514 participants and only 24%,295 in 4 yesrs

2/12/19 12:03am

Agreed. I think people are only this enthusiastic about it because it's weed

Resurgens

2/11/19 9:46pm

1. I have never used mj. 2. I want more research. 3. I dont think anything is

2/12/19 12:18am

In particular, lighting up a plant and breathing in the smoke WILL cause cancer

jkccoug

2/12/19 9:58am

*will lead to a higher risk of cancer, not a guarantee

CDV

2/12/19 10:33am

That's true. Plenty of smokers don't get cancer

jkccoug

2/12/19 11:52am

Most people, that I know of, don't actually smoke the plant they use vape pens or edibles.

Zilog

2/12/19 11:12am

Qell.this research says NO. LINK

2/12/19 11:48am

I don't think it says no. It says "it hasn't been proven" and also notes that MJ

jkccoug

2/12/19 11:58am

you realize what that is saying right? Yes and yet no cancer link

2/12/19 12:47pm

I think you misunderstand how these studies work

jkccoug

2/12/19 2:19pm

This qas a review of reseaexh if you arenredereing to the

2/12/19 3:03pm

You have it reversed. It is not a 95% proof that MJ doesn’t cause cancer

jkccoug

2/13/19 7:15am

You're right.

2/13/19 10:38am

This statement from your link is pretty unambiguous:

NewMexiCoug

2/14/19 6:55am

Yup. It is and? Im not sure you are understanding my position. Ever been to Ca?

2/14/19 12:03pm

The research says you may be incorrect LINK

2/12/19 12:21pm

Some thoughts/things to consider:

Ernie

2/12/19 11:29am

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