An estimated 440 people in Utah will die from lung cancer this year.

Feb 11, 2019
2:52:44pm

autonomous All-American

About 85% of cases of lung cancer are in smokers. I think medical MJ can be a great thing but smoking it will only lead to more cases of lung cancer and slow death IMO.

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I remember in the 90's when Big Tobacco's reckoning came

Linescratcher

2/11/19 11:00am

that's almost exactly how i feel. good post.

riboflavin

2/11/19 11:02am

the medical science behind it really is sparse.. mostly because it hasn't been

cougfanz

2/11/19 11:04am

Exactly. Believe we'll see limited benefits for a very small, specific population but pretty significant

soupie

2/11/19 11:11am

Maybe. BUT the research you linked to and from the OP article

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 12:50pm

Don't believe we ever talked about addictive properties. It would most likely be psychological anyway.

soupie

2/11/19 1:07pm

This is what is maddening.

bluecheese

2/11/19 11:14am

But there are countries where it is legal.

autonomous

2/11/19 11:16am

Too much effort. Too busy chillin and snackin.

soupie

2/11/19 11:18am

Probably all about the $. Research is expensive, street mj is cheap.

bluecheese

2/11/19 11:18am

dont' quote me but i've heard that >95% of worldwide drug funding is by US

cougfanz

2/11/19 11:23am

also, research $ is invested for discovery of new drugs. Do not expect a lot

runnincoug

2/11/19 1:24pm

The Fed needs to re classify it today so it can be researched more thouroighly

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 11:45am

Reclass wont do it. Its too avail in dark and lit markets. NIH should do it.

BostonCougar

2/11/19 12:00pm

My son has severe epilepsy, and my wife and I were the primary plowhorses behind

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 11:59am

glad your son is doing better.. i would be interested in reading the study

cougfanz

2/11/19 12:09pm

Should've pointed out that the study was conducted by the University of Utah.

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 12:26pm

CBD has a lot of benefits, but really ≠ marijuana as most people know it

jkccoug

2/12/19 9:59am

Don't be too quick to dismiss the potential of THC. It is necessary for efficacy

PGVikingDad

2/12/19 11:11am

Amen

Slim

2/11/19 11:13am

I'm not overstating things to say that I am an expert regarding MMJ, and while I

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 11:29am

De classify and ler the research prove it.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 11:48am

"Can outpace...at times?" Understatement of the year.

cracka

2/11/19 11:49am

yes the cannabdiols can be very helpful, but no need to smoke MMJ

nwcat

2/11/19 12:08pm

Smoke? Correct.

PGVikingDad

2/11/19 12:26pm

This is one of my two issues with legal MJ in my state: 1. smoking THC is harmful to virtually everyone,even if it holds

SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 12:52pm

After a review of research let me correct you.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:07pm

What are your sources for your assertions? Also, you are bringing up issues that I did not (ie addiction)

SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 2:14pm

You mentioned Consequence(s) and risk(s) in addition to the schizophrenia

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 3:46pm

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SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 4:19pm

Oh good..so all things with no proven links. Hopefully

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 11:44pm

You high now?

Blue2thebone

2/12/19 1:49am

Liquor is even worse IMO. Yet the FDA looks the other way

Croweater

2/11/19 11:42am

Actually the research proves your opinion is correct in many areas.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:07pm

Great post. Especially when it comes to smoking MJ. Why all of a sudden we are good with

Virginia Ute

2/11/19 11:48am

I am no expert here but from what I understand the major issue with cigs is all

OceanMang

2/11/19 12:17pm

Nope. There is nothing harmless about marijuana smoke

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 1:02pm

Exactly. It’s a fact that smoke in the lungs is not good. No debate there.

Virginia Ute

2/11/19 1:12pm

Correct....but at what rates? Water in the lings isnt either.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:19pm

Water in the lungs? I don’t get that comparison.

Virginia Ute

2/11/19 2:24pm

Smoking cigarettes...pipe different impact. Cigars..different effect..mj,

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 7:26pm

Yeah. Like I said. Smoke is bad for the lungs. Period.

Virginia Ute

2/11/19 7:35pm

Correct. Some smoking inhalants are worse than others.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 8:12pm

Somewhere between bad for you and really bad for you.

Virginia Ute

2/11/19 8:25pm

Yep, which why aspirating water is bad.

thecthdox

2/11/19 6:33pm

Cancer from MJ is something that I believe has affected my family.

Cachanilla83

2/11/19 1:13pm

Could very well be..but he could also be an outlier..or he could be. Utah

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:21pm

I believe if you isolate the chemicals w/ therapeutic value to be administered in better methods

soupie

2/11/19 1:25pm

Yes it needs reclassification immediately. Rec use and med use are separate

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:27pm

Hard to draw those conclusions w/o better testing.

soupie

2/11/19 4:43pm

I can find a plethora of reputable scientific articles that promote both sides

OceanMang

2/11/19 2:14pm

Well, I agree with you that marijuana should be studied more

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:21pm

This is my thinking as well.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 7:25pm

Legalizing it for use isn't necessary for research. In fact, that would be pretty dangerous. It does need to

soupie

2/11/19 7:25pm

You mean that "coukd" be pretty dangerous. Though

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 7:35pm

Legalizing it would remove the stigma and eliminate the black market. More

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:37pm

Cart before horse.

soupie

2/11/19 7:44pm

Perhaps. I can agree with that to an extent.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 8:12pm

Incense...I wouldn' doubt what you are saying is true,can you Verif with a coupl

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:14pm

As I noted above, it all depends on the dosage. And most pot smokers probably

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:23pm

And I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that living in Utah raises your

BeardedSpock

2/11/19 7:32pm

Smoking MJ would be a significant risk for airway diseases

Ernie

2/12/19 11:07am

Yeah. Im not sure why smoking would be b3st,bu5 its possible

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:09pm

I’ve lost a nephew and two ward members over the years to opioid overdose

USMCdad

2/11/19 12:00pm

My prediction is that medical MJ will not replace opioids as a viable option for sever pain control.

Virginia Ute

2/11/19 12:02pm

Totally? Of course not too much variability in people.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:30pm

Brother, I don’t understand what you’re sayin here.

Virginia Ute

2/11/19 2:45pm

400ish Utah opiod deaths in Utah last year. 0 MJ deaths.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:29pm

An estimated 440 people in Utah will die from lung cancer this year.

autonomous

2/11/19 2:52pm

Your last your last statement is irresponsible. Imo.Whicj is why i 4jonk

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 3:40pm

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MMCougIII

2/11/19 3:51pm

No I dont and have stated I dont. I also dont want to overstate its impact.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 4:05pm

Im the one seeking data. You seem fine with throwing out unsustantiated claims

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 4:11pm

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MMCougIII

2/11/19 4:16pm

Here’s what UW thinks.

autonomous

2/11/19 10:40pm

Apparently UW doesn't think much of anything.

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 11:34pm

So anout 70 from non smokers..

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 3:41pm

I see people who have smoked pot. There brains just don’t work correctly or as

Powerbait DPM studnt

2/11/19 12:22pm

It’s interesting because i used to think that as well

USMCdad

2/11/19 12:31pm

You'd be surprised at the very bright businessmen, engineers, LEOs etc

OceanMang

2/11/19 12:33pm

Maybe. But my grandpa smoked a pack a day and lived to 100 years old. Does that

rcbyufan

2/11/19 12:36pm

Anecdotes rarely mean anything. I can show you hundreds of abnormal lung function tests in smokers who

SaturdaySpecialDay

2/11/19 12:48pm

That's what I'm saying with MJ. My grandpa smoking a pack a day for 90 years

rcbyufan

2/11/19 1:25pm

The point of bringing sucessful people up is that not all people who smoke weed are brain dead pot heads.

Zilog

2/11/19 1:51pm

Fair enough. That's why I said maybe in my original post. Let's get some real

rcbyufan

2/11/19 2:48pm

Watch Joe Rogan and get back to me with your anectdotal evidence

CarolinaCoug

2/11/19 2:34pm

What we do know about marijuana is that it over-activates the endocannabinoid

Ernie

2/12/19 11:14am

Behold modern day snake oil.

thecthdox

2/11/19 6:31pm

Largest pot study of which I'm aware, came out recently, and says:

canofpicante

2/11/19 9:20pm

Well that puts a damper on things.

BYUALWAYSNUM1

2/11/19 9:49pm

Not if you read the study.

CarolinaCoug

2/12/19 12:04am

It was 1514 participants and only 24%,295 in 4 yesrs

CarolinaCoug

2/12/19 12:03am

Agreed. I think people are only this enthusiastic about it because it's weed

Resurgens

2/11/19 9:46pm

1. I have never used mj. 2. I want more research. 3. I dont think anything is

CarolinaCoug

2/12/19 12:18am

In particular, lighting up a plant and breathing in the smoke WILL cause cancer

jkccoug

2/12/19 9:58am

*will lead to a higher risk of cancer, not a guarantee

CDV

2/12/19 10:33am

That's true. Plenty of smokers don't get cancer

jkccoug

2/12/19 11:52am

Most people, that I know of, don't actually smoke the plant they use vape pens or edibles.

Zilog

2/12/19 11:12am

Qell.this research says NO. LINK

CarolinaCoug

2/12/19 11:48am

I don't think it says no. It says "it hasn't been proven" and also notes that MJ

jkccoug

2/12/19 11:58am

you realize what that is saying right? Yes and yet no cancer link

CarolinaCoug

2/12/19 12:47pm

I think you misunderstand how these studies work

jkccoug

2/12/19 2:19pm

This qas a review of reseaexh if you arenredereing to the

CarolinaCoug

2/12/19 3:03pm

You have it reversed. It is not a 95% proof that MJ doesn’t cause cancer

jkccoug

2/13/19 7:15am

You're right.

CarolinaCoug

2/13/19 10:38am

This statement from your link is pretty unambiguous:

NewMexiCoug

2/14/19 6:55am

Yup. It is and? Im not sure you are understanding my position. Ever been to Ca?

CarolinaCoug

2/14/19 12:03pm

The research says you may be incorrect LINK

CarolinaCoug

2/12/19 12:21pm

Some thoughts/things to consider:

Ernie

2/12/19 11:29am

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