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May 22, 2019
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SUAVO

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Childs has no shot at NBA and former coaches should have used stats to show him

52Cougar

5/22/19 3:59pm

Childs knows he's not going to play in the NBA.

kccougar

5/22/19 4:00pm

He should know his stats hurt his chances in Europe and elsewhere

52Cougar

5/22/19 4:02pm

HE reportedly had a 6 figure deal somewhere last season

I'mBatman

5/22/19 4:54pm

If true, then it may be a good plan to leave early.

Benfica1

5/22/19 5:11pm

that's an interesting assertion, especially when stated dogmatically

SCKIN

5/22/19 4:44pm

because that's how you get the best European contract.

HarlemCoug

5/22/19 10:28pm

interesting. And you learned this where?

SCKIN

5/22/19 11:13pm

Because he's on no one's top 100 NBA prospects lists or mock draft results

Indy Coug

5/23/19 8:31am

I'm not questioning whether Yoeli will be in the NBA, it's fairly clear he won't

SCKIN

5/23/19 1:42pm

well duh. It is not like NBA general managers know anything

pappabear246

5/23/19 1:57pm

No NBA Combine invite, and only 2 team workouts should tell him not this year.

roseyscenario

5/23/19 9:26pm

TJ has been playing out of position, hopefully Pope lets him play at the point and create

Remigius

5/22/19 4:03pm

I don't think TJ's 3-point % was greater when he played 1

52Cougar

5/22/19 4:07pm

Either way he was in the 91st percentile in ppp.

thebruce

5/22/19 4:09pm

TJ played a lot of PG last year.

thebruce

5/22/19 4:07pm

TJ ppp was 1.063 PPP which puts him in the 91st percentile. TJ is fine. There

BYUheaven

5/22/19 4:05pm

Thanks. Where is a link for PPP for college?

52Cougar

5/22/19 4:09pm

TJ was good last year

I'mBatman

5/22/19 5:08pm

His 2pt% was actually 55%

PHXSUNS31

5/22/19 4:12pm

TJ needs to get a similar shot selection around the hoop

puntersarepeople

5/22/19 4:33pm

Like Tyler had.

lightmann

5/22/19 4:37pm

Tyler's shot selection was about as bad as possible for advanced analytics. He was just that good

MaxxPower

5/22/19 5:18pm

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MwangoleCoug9

5/22/19 4:57pm

Yes, TJ's defense is limited. But my bet is his offense spikes up > 90% with

roseyscenario

5/23/19 11:12am

Isn't that referring to Yoeli?

thebruce

5/23/19 11:23am

No. Yo has good hands. i could have explained that better.

roseyscenario

5/23/19 1:47pm

1. Yoeli doesn't think he's playing in the NBA. 2. The coaches are smart enough to know that TJ

MaxxPower

5/22/19 5:05pm

His logic is limited to showing how effective a player is in their role

puntersarepeople

5/22/19 5:06pm

Possibly, Yoeli needs the $.

rockyrd

5/22/19 5:55pm

if that's true, he should come back, improve his europe stock. Get more $$$

archie

5/22/19 10:28pm

Rose wasn't very interested in PPS, thus Childs took low quality

Plato

5/22/19 6:23pm

Jake Toolson shot 44.8% from 3 and 53.7 from 2 this past year. . .

midtowncoug

5/22/19 7:03pm

How do we know they didn't?

SUAVO

5/22/19 9:11pm

TJ is likely best PG in WCC. He's extremely efficient. Shot > 40% as a freshman

roseyscenario

5/22/19 10:24pm

*especially by his fans

Epileptic Beagle

5/22/19 10:31pm

It's unfortunate for TJ that he has to follow in the footsteps of Marty & Tyler.

Wingnut

5/22/19 10:46pm

I think he is better than Tyler

Remigius

5/22/19 10:54pm

TJ is horrible.

scorpiondynamo

5/22/19 11:19pm

Tj is horrible??? 🤨

gmoney7

5/22/19 11:42pm

He makes a lot of dumb/bad turnovers too.

Gerald-DeGroot

5/23/19 12:12am

What statistic has TJ's defense in the 29th percentile? I think you are getting

BYUheaven

5/23/19 12:42am

TJ’s offensive stats are misleading.

scorpiondynamo

5/23/19 8:58am

TJ's offensive rating was 117.3, which is nationally 31st best of people with at least 24% of possessions used

Indy Coug

5/23/19 9:08am

This post is impressive

Schultz is back

5/23/19 9:30am

Link?

Orem58thBall

5/23/19 10:33am

did he say that prior to playing BYU? Mark is a very respectful, kind man...

icecougar

5/23/19 11:19am

Call me a homer but I think TJ is one of the best PGs in the west.

thebruce

5/23/19 11:25am

Totally. I would take TJ over most of the returning PG's...

icecougar

5/23/19 11:30am

I guess I'm taking it a step further and saying I think he's one of the best

thebruce

5/23/19 2:24pm

Hard to see how TJ doesn't have his best year. Better shooters among teammates

roseyscenario

5/23/19 2:38pm

Few says nice things about BYU because he's a class act

scorpiondynamo

5/23/19 11:29pm

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MwangoleCoug9

5/23/19 11:48pm

No worries brother. I'm just offering a different perspective.

scorpiondynamo

5/24/19 1:26pm

And the player most worth paying to watch was TJ, by a wide margin. We have

roseyscenario

5/24/19 5:35pm

Let's look at the Advanced stats then, shall we. TJ ranks 1701 out of the 2320

scorpiondynamo

5/24/19 11:39pm

Ummm wut

thebruce

5/25/19 12:49am

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MwangoleCoug9

5/25/19 7:33am

Spot on as always. Until recently i believed kenpom was go to place for NBA and

roseyscenario

5/25/19 7:52am

PPP is not a good Individual Defense Statistic

scorpiondynamo

5/25/19 1:47pm

This defensive rating is not very good either, no offense

kimdaddy35

5/28/19 11:46am

Defense is extremely hard to measure correctly by metrics

thebruce

5/28/19 11:51am

I agree 100%. You have to use a bunch of metrics, the eye test

kimdaddy35

5/28/19 11:59am

This is a really bad take. One you are welcomed to have, but a really bad one

unctoothman

5/24/19 3:17pm

I love when people spout of ideas like they are facts with nothing to back it up

BYUheaven

5/23/19 9:32am

I love it when people self-identify

Epileptic Beagle

5/23/19 9:56am

Opposite is true. Stats understate his play. Teammates can't shoot, causing him

roseyscenario

5/23/19 10:42am

SMH.... all time BYU great? You're over selling things to try and make your point.

Wingnut

5/23/19 10:44am

i see you know how to focus on what's important. You'll shake more when i reveal

roseyscenario

5/23/19 10:55am

Look rosey, the kid came in with expectations higher than anyone I can remember in recent history and he has

Wingnut

5/23/19 11:03am

He had a lot of hype — which isn't fair since he was actually rated in

thebruce

5/23/19 2:27pm

We can disagree on this. I really hope he has a great season coming up.

Wingnut

5/23/19 2:50pm

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Wingnut

5/23/19 2:50pm

Simpletons often oversimplify. Thanks for the evidence.

Big Daddy D

5/24/19 9:49am

Not true. Tyler did more than just one thing better than TJ...

icecougar

5/23/19 11:01am

/\ I could not agree more /\

Wingnut

5/23/19 11:12am

Hest better than Tyler IMO

thebruce

5/23/19 6:21am

Wingnut

5/23/19 10:05am

But mostly he's trashed gratuitously and constantly by our friend 52Cougar

roseyscenario

5/23/19 12:27am

I expect noticeable improvement

bigjohn

5/23/19 6:13am

I would be happy if he's just as good as last year.

MaxxPower

5/23/19 9:27am

Coaches need to instill a vision, loyalty to team, etc.

Hill4Heisman

5/23/19 11:17am

You don't know what you think you know

kimdaddy35

5/23/19 11:38am

Maybe he left because he simply didn't want to be at BYU anymore.

Byu_1988

5/25/19 1:44pm

Since we are talking anlytics

gww687

5/25/19 5:09pm

Ceteris paribus

roseyscenario

5/25/19 5:20pm

RE: Ceteris paribus

gww687

5/25/19 9:55pm

It drives more 3s at the cost of mid range shots. But analytics consider more

roseyscenario

5/25/19 11:41pm

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