Closest thing to official statement on it is here

Jul 10, 2020
12:44:48pm

CougarTail Contributor

What is the Church’s view on plastic surgery for cosmetic purposes?

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland has given us guiding principles on the question of cosmetic plastic surgery.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/new-era/2016/03/to-the-point/what-is-the-churchs-view-on-plastic-surgery-for-cosmetic-purposes?lang=eng

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What explains Utah having the nation’s highest rate of implant surgery?

valleus

7/10/20 11:09am

Source?

Thrill

7/10/20 11:12am

Sacrament meeting on sundays before coronavirus.

RdF3

7/10/20 11:13am

I'm serious about a source. I hear this, but have never seen a credible list.

Thrill

7/10/20 11:16am

Here:

valleus

7/10/20 11:31am

That's the # of plastic surgeons in a city, not procedures.

Thrill

7/10/20 12:05pm

Per capita. From that we can infer. What sort of evidence were you expecting?

valleus

7/10/20 1:02pm

Interestingly, I believe Utah has a disproportionately low number of GPs

Gustav

7/10/20 1:08pm

Now that’s can do thinking! 🙂

valleus

7/10/20 1:24pm

Gee, I don't know. Maybe the actual # of procedures divided by population.

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:01pm

Infer does not mean guess. It’s foundational to scientific reasoning.

valleus

7/10/20 2:09pm

"Infer" is simply an educated "guess". Educated, true, but still a guess.

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:25pm

Everything is a probabilistic guess.

valleus

7/10/20 2:35pm

Not truly per capita. They only included adults.

panguitch

7/10/20 2:26pm

I read the article. Nothing to see here.

Reasonable1

7/10/20 2:05pm

The first line of your article has the answer.

blueaussie

7/10/20 3:20pm

Many of the surgeries are breast reductions

Srg

7/10/20 4:27pm

I'm not sure. I live down in the valley with the common folk so I have not

Hypnotoad

7/10/20 11:12am

Isn't some cosmetic surgery supposed to be unnoticed?

SandYFan

7/10/20 11:13am

Poor genes, making it so many are less endowed than they'd like?

CougarTailDevourer

7/10/20 11:14am

Scandinavian women have small breasts?

Iman23

7/10/20 11:15am

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East1999

7/10/20 11:21am

But also has one of the highest danish ancestral concentrations in the US

LifelongAP

7/10/20 11:47am

Yeah baby! Let’s go fellow Danes!

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 2:52pm

small breasts + lots of kids = Silicone valley

shimmy

7/10/20 11:27am

I'd guess demographics. More upper-middle-class housewives=more plastic surgery.

LeftOfNormal

7/10/20 11:15am

We need MasterLumps to weigh in here.

fredetteaboutit13

7/10/20 11:16am

Maybe people in Utah eat more sugar and don't brush

Shihan

7/10/20 11:16am

Church doesn't seem to have a negative stance on it

v1k0u6

7/10/20 11:16am

Can you imagine if the brethren directly addressed that?

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:18am

To be clear I'm not saying they should.

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:21am

Would be the most interesting General Conference talk I'd ever hear. 🙂

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:09pm

Elder Holland did, years ago. Keyword search: remodel

TheLoanArranger

7/10/20 2:51pm

Because many who are in leadership are performing the procedures.

JohnnyC

7/10/20 11:19am

That’s an easy allegation, but don’t think it’s true.

Richardo

7/10/20 11:36am

Closest thing to official statement on it is here

CougarTail

7/10/20 12:44pm

His comment on "pressures and anxieties will certainly seep through to children"

CougaRR4L

7/10/20 1:59pm

I think unconditional love and balance is the answer.

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:11pm

Huh- this is what Jeffery Holland once said

monsterdave

7/10/20 1:38pm

Surprised so many are against this message.

valleus

7/10/20 1:46pm

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monsterdave

7/10/20 1:42pm

But don’t you dare get more than one piercing in your ear!

Cast

7/10/20 2:55pm

I’ve heard from surgeons that they many of their patients are California residents. The price for surgery is cheaper

Zach Morris

7/10/20 11:19am

Family flies in for a ski week. Mom gets a lift and sits by the fire recovering

Thrill

7/10/20 11:20am

I think it's strange that so many seem to care about whether people get

CSoul

7/10/20 11:19am

I think this is a lot of it too. More women than anywhere else who have 3+ kids

hansel

7/10/20 11:22am

Yeah I don't see a huge difference between this and braces honestly.

JuicyJam

7/10/20 11:23am

I think it's strange that people care about tattoos and double piercings

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:25am

To be clear, it doesn't bother me, I just am personally perplexed when

CSoul

7/10/20 11:30am

Flew from Atlanta to home the other day. Sat across from a woman in her 30s.....

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:16pm

It is reflective of underlying cultural norms and mores. Utah does superb on a

valleus

7/10/20 11:56am

High ratio of women wanting devout, responsible, breadwinning men to supply of

hansel

7/10/20 11:20am

Because Utahans understand that your body is a te...... nevermind.

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:20am

And the church renovates temples as they age . . .

viper

7/10/20 12:39pm

They also sculpt and chisel artwork and symbols throughout them

HONOMO

7/11/20 12:48am

Mormon guys are typically with one women for there whole life.

JohnnyC

7/10/20 11:21am

Lots of women in Texas get work done. Not sure how it compares to Utah, but it’s very common.

Texas Hammer

7/10/20 11:22am

"Lack of educational achievement"?

Niiineteeen84

7/10/20 11:22am

It correlates highly with level of education.

valleus

7/10/20 11:24am

It correlates more regionally.

boogers

7/10/20 11:26am

I agree. My experience in Texas is that many highly educated choose some form of cosmetic surgery. It may have more to

Texas Hammer

7/10/20 12:50pm

RE: What explains Utah having the nation’s highest rate of implant surgery?

BYUtiful

7/10/20 11:22am

Birthrate and low price of cosmetic surgery compared to more populous states.

JAGA97

7/10/20 11:22am

Big families: lots of babies: body destroyed.

byubyu

7/10/20 11:23am

Mommy make-over. Tummy-tuck/breast augmentation. Very popular in

boogers

7/10/20 11:25am

Lots of kids, lots of sagging, makes sense to me.

EEcougar

7/10/20 12:05pm

It's not.

O Gaucho

7/10/20 11:27am

eh. It's pretty high per capita.

boogers

7/10/20 11:27am

Start video at about 1:20

statguru

7/10/20 11:28am

There's at least some evidence that the rates are the same as for the nation

MetaLearner

7/10/20 11:30am

More strippers

Lip Gallagher

7/10/20 11:31am

I don't care, but I am enjoying the view.

John Doe

7/10/20 11:46am

“Lack of educational achievement” What on earth?

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:06pm

Areas like South Florida have a lot of lower educated women having

boogers

7/10/20 12:18pm

Haha! That’s hilarious. That’s a major stretch to correlate the two.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:27pm

a "major stretch." Get it? LOL.

Iman23

7/10/20 1:32pm

Level of education correlates well with likelihood of getting such a procedure.

valleus

7/10/20 12:21pm

That’s because Utah women get married way younger on average and the culture is

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:31pm

“Braces” modify the body to achieve a culturally conditioned view of beauty.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:37pm

You think that most braces are correcting a disfigurement? Almost all braces

CSoul

7/10/20 12:39pm

You keep saying things without giving any reason to believe you.

panguitch

7/10/20 1:08pm

You can use google just like everyone. Search the Pubmed and the NIH databases.

valleus

7/14/20 6:16pm

My wife's bonus paid for my car... so keep trying to be gorgeous Utah!

TheLost

7/10/20 12:41pm

Are there any studies connecting the prevalence of porn use w/cosmetic surgery?

ryebrye

7/10/20 1:24pm

RE: Are there any studies connecting the prevalence of porn use w/cosmetic

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 1:48pm

Yes. Before the internet, certain ‘reduction’ surgeries were rarely done. Now it

valleus

7/10/20 1:48pm

RE: Yes. Before the internet, certain ‘reduction’ surgeries were

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 2:48pm

They are called labia minora reductions and they are now quite popular. I

valleus

7/12/20 5:51pm

Tell me more.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/13/20 6:59pm

This is my theory. Heavy porn use rates sets unrealistic expectations

Doogal McCougar

7/10/20 3:22pm

Of all my friends who have had an augmentation, it was the wife who wanted it.

WDaddy

7/10/20 4:57pm

I am not suggesting that at all. My theory relates directly to men's porn use

Doogal McCougar

7/10/20 5:18pm

Plastic surgeons in Utah charge less.

Muscle IQ

7/10/20 1:31pm

For what it's worth after 15 million responses--I recall as a young teen, 13-14

monsterdave

7/10/20 1:33pm

The president of the whole church’s young women’s organization clearly missed

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 1:53pm

I never knew many people in Utah that had plastic surgery. I see more in Florida

Reasonable1

7/10/20 1:37pm

Honest question: Do you think breast augmentation surgery is immoral?

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:03pm

Are tattoos or three sets of earrings immoral? I wouldn’t say immoral so much as

valleus

7/10/20 2:12pm

Are braces "ignorant, vapid, promoting the wrong things in life."?

CougarBreath

7/10/20 2:31pm

Are you serious on this post?

kimdaddy35

7/10/20 5:01pm

Hypothesis: the high rate of Californians who moved to UT is responsible?

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:08pm

No.. Forbes voted SLC "America's Vainest City" way back in 2007.

TheLost

7/10/20 2:24pm

Who cares?

SpiffCoug

7/10/20 2:27pm

Link?

Real Men Wear Blue

7/10/20 2:38pm

RE: Link?

TheLost

7/10/20 3:10pm

Are you sure you’re looking at plastic surgery rate vs “bad plastic surgery?”

lilpenny

7/10/20 2:59pm

$$$

ditch

7/10/20 3:14pm

Because members want to stay as Draper Mom's.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 4:27pm

The Chatwin couple is why. They are the embodiment of Utah culture

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 4:27pm

RE: The Chatwin couple is why. They are the embodiment of Utah culture

Gustav

7/10/20 4:35pm

Check the link. It makes me cringe.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 7:10pm

That's disturbing. Never heard of them and they don't appear to be LDS.

BYU Grounds

7/10/20 7:35pm

They are. He served a mission. Married in the temple etc.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 8:00pm

An appreciation for breasts

kimdaddy35

7/10/20 4:54pm

Amen.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 7:07pm

Your mom.

D.T. Survivor

7/10/20 4:56pm

I’m late to this thread, and it may have already been stated

Gigo

7/10/20 5:22pm

There are also a lot more dentists and pilots in Utah compared to most places.

LCcoug

7/10/20 5:22pm

I have no idea if Utah has the most implants, but I doubt there is a metro with

Jay Kay

7/10/20 5:42pm

Because with each child the need becomes greater.

timponyloco

7/10/20 6:05pm

My wife flew back to Utah to get her’s done.

CrimsonCardinal

7/10/20 6:12pm

Enjoy my friend.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 7:07pm

At least once every two weeks, my friend.

CrimsonCardinal

7/13/20 6:26pm

I'd say your ROI isn't paying off.

slowhiteguy

7/13/20 7:20pm

Very true.

RestonWarrior89

7/14/20 1:33pm

Not enough Bang for my buck?

CrimsonCardinal

7/16/20 7:18am

Relatively young mothers.

kccougar

7/12/20 9:14am

Dad's need new toys.

RestonWarrior89

7/13/20 12:47pm

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