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Jul 10, 2020
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What explains Utah having the nation’s highest rate of implant surgery?

valleus

7/10/20 11:09am

Source?

Thrill

7/10/20 11:12am

Sacrament meeting on sundays before coronavirus.

RdF3

7/10/20 11:13am

I'm serious about a source. I hear this, but have never seen a credible list.

Thrill

7/10/20 11:16am

Here:

valleus

7/10/20 11:31am

That's the # of plastic surgeons in a city, not procedures.

Thrill

7/10/20 12:05pm

Per capita. From that we can infer. What sort of evidence were you expecting?

valleus

7/10/20 1:02pm

Interestingly, I believe Utah has a disproportionately low number of GPs

Gustav

7/10/20 1:08pm

Now that’s can do thinking! 🙂

valleus

7/10/20 1:24pm

Gee, I don't know. Maybe the actual # of procedures divided by population.

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:01pm

Infer does not mean guess. It’s foundational to scientific reasoning.

valleus

7/10/20 2:09pm

"Infer" is simply an educated "guess". Educated, true, but still a guess.

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:25pm

Everything is a probabilistic guess.

valleus

7/10/20 2:35pm

Not truly per capita. They only included adults.

panguitch

7/10/20 2:26pm

I read the article. Nothing to see here.

Reasonable1

7/10/20 2:05pm

The first line of your article has the answer.

blueaussie

7/10/20 3:20pm

Many of the surgeries are breast reductions

Srg

7/10/20 4:27pm

I'm not sure. I live down in the valley with the common folk so I have not

Hypnotoad

7/10/20 11:12am

Isn't some cosmetic surgery supposed to be unnoticed?

SandYFan

7/10/20 11:13am

Poor genes, making it so many are less endowed than they'd like?

CougarTailDevourer

7/10/20 11:14am

Scandinavian women have small breasts?

Iman23

7/10/20 11:15am

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East1999

7/10/20 11:21am

But also has one of the highest danish ancestral concentrations in the US

LifelongAP

7/10/20 11:47am

Yeah baby! Let’s go fellow Danes!

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 2:52pm

small breasts + lots of kids = Silicone valley

shimmy

7/10/20 11:27am

I'd guess demographics. More upper-middle-class housewives=more plastic surgery.

LeftOfNormal

7/10/20 11:15am

We need MasterLumps to weigh in here.

fredetteaboutit13

7/10/20 11:16am

Maybe people in Utah eat more sugar and don't brush

Shihan

7/10/20 11:16am

Church doesn't seem to have a negative stance on it

v1k0u6

7/10/20 11:16am

Can you imagine if the brethren directly addressed that?

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:18am

To be clear I'm not saying they should.

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:21am

Would be the most interesting General Conference talk I'd ever hear. 🙂

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:09pm

Elder Holland did, years ago. Keyword search: remodel

TheLoanArranger

7/10/20 2:51pm

Because many who are in leadership are performing the procedures.

JohnnyC

7/10/20 11:19am

That’s an easy allegation, but don’t think it’s true.

Richardo

7/10/20 11:36am

Closest thing to official statement on it is here

CougarTail

7/10/20 12:44pm

His comment on "pressures and anxieties will certainly seep through to children"

CougaRR4L

7/10/20 1:59pm

I think unconditional love and balance is the answer.

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:11pm

Huh- this is what Jeffery Holland once said

monsterdave

7/10/20 1:38pm

Surprised so many are against this message.

valleus

7/10/20 1:46pm

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monsterdave

7/10/20 1:42pm

But don’t you dare get more than one piercing in your ear!

Cast

7/10/20 2:55pm

I’ve heard from surgeons that they many of their patients are California residents. The price for surgery is cheaper

Zach Morris

7/10/20 11:19am

Family flies in for a ski week. Mom gets a lift and sits by the fire recovering

Thrill

7/10/20 11:20am

I think it's strange that so many seem to care about whether people get

CSoul

7/10/20 11:19am

I think this is a lot of it too. More women than anywhere else who have 3+ kids

hansel

7/10/20 11:22am

Yeah I don't see a huge difference between this and braces honestly.

JuicyJam

7/10/20 11:23am

I think it's strange that people care about tattoos and double piercings

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:25am

To be clear, it doesn't bother me, I just am personally perplexed when

CSoul

7/10/20 11:30am

Flew from Atlanta to home the other day. Sat across from a woman in her 30s.....

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:16pm

It is reflective of underlying cultural norms and mores. Utah does superb on a

valleus

7/10/20 11:56am

High ratio of women wanting devout, responsible, breadwinning men to supply of

hansel

7/10/20 11:20am

Because Utahans understand that your body is a te...... nevermind.

HONOMO

7/10/20 11:20am

And the church renovates temples as they age . . .

viper

7/10/20 12:39pm

They also sculpt and chisel artwork and symbols throughout them

HONOMO

7/11/20 12:48am

Mormon guys are typically with one women for there whole life.

JohnnyC

7/10/20 11:21am

Lots of women in Texas get work done. Not sure how it compares to Utah, but it’s very common.

Texas Hammer

7/10/20 11:22am

"Lack of educational achievement"?

Niiineteeen84

7/10/20 11:22am

It correlates highly with level of education.

valleus

7/10/20 11:24am

It correlates more regionally.

boogers

7/10/20 11:26am

I agree. My experience in Texas is that many highly educated choose some form of cosmetic surgery. It may have more to

Texas Hammer

7/10/20 12:50pm

RE: What explains Utah having the nation’s highest rate of implant surgery?

BYUtiful

7/10/20 11:22am

Birthrate and low price of cosmetic surgery compared to more populous states.

JAGA97

7/10/20 11:22am

Big families: lots of babies: body destroyed.

byubyu

7/10/20 11:23am

Mommy make-over. Tummy-tuck/breast augmentation. Very popular in

boogers

7/10/20 11:25am

Lots of kids, lots of sagging, makes sense to me.

EEcougar

7/10/20 12:05pm

It's not.

O Gaucho

7/10/20 11:27am

eh. It's pretty high per capita.

boogers

7/10/20 11:27am

Start video at about 1:20

statguru

7/10/20 11:28am

There's at least some evidence that the rates are the same as for the nation

MetaLearner

7/10/20 11:30am

More strippers

Lip Gallagher

7/10/20 11:31am

I don't care, but I am enjoying the view.

John Doe

7/10/20 11:46am

“Lack of educational achievement” What on earth?

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:06pm

Areas like South Florida have a lot of lower educated women having

boogers

7/10/20 12:18pm

Haha! That’s hilarious. That’s a major stretch to correlate the two.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:27pm

a "major stretch." Get it? LOL.

Iman23

7/10/20 1:32pm

Level of education correlates well with likelihood of getting such a procedure.

valleus

7/10/20 12:21pm

That’s because Utah women get married way younger on average and the culture is

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:31pm

“Braces” modify the body to achieve a culturally conditioned view of beauty.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 12:37pm

You think that most braces are correcting a disfigurement? Almost all braces

CSoul

7/10/20 12:39pm

You keep saying things without giving any reason to believe you.

panguitch

7/10/20 1:08pm

You can use google just like everyone. Search the Pubmed and the NIH databases.

valleus

7/14/20 6:16pm

My wife's bonus paid for my car... so keep trying to be gorgeous Utah!

TheLost

7/10/20 12:41pm

Are there any studies connecting the prevalence of porn use w/cosmetic surgery?

ryebrye

7/10/20 1:24pm

RE: Are there any studies connecting the prevalence of porn use w/cosmetic

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 1:48pm

Yes. Before the internet, certain ‘reduction’ surgeries were rarely done. Now it

valleus

7/10/20 1:48pm

RE: Yes. Before the internet, certain ‘reduction’ surgeries were

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 2:48pm

They are called labia minora reductions and they are now quite popular. I

valleus

7/12/20 5:51pm

Tell me more.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/13/20 6:59pm

This is my theory. Heavy porn use rates sets unrealistic expectations

Doogal McCougar

7/10/20 3:22pm

Of all my friends who have had an augmentation, it was the wife who wanted it.

WDaddy

7/10/20 4:57pm

I am not suggesting that at all. My theory relates directly to men's porn use

Doogal McCougar

7/10/20 5:18pm

Plastic surgeons in Utah charge less.

Muscle IQ

7/10/20 1:31pm

For what it's worth after 15 million responses--I recall as a young teen, 13-14

monsterdave

7/10/20 1:33pm

The president of the whole church’s young women’s organization clearly missed

Gerald-DeGroot

7/10/20 1:53pm

I never knew many people in Utah that had plastic surgery. I see more in Florida

Reasonable1

7/10/20 1:37pm

Honest question: Do you think breast augmentation surgery is immoral?

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:03pm

Are tattoos or three sets of earrings immoral? I wouldn’t say immoral so much as

valleus

7/10/20 2:12pm

Are braces "ignorant, vapid, promoting the wrong things in life."?

CougarBreath

7/10/20 2:31pm

Are you serious on this post?

kimdaddy35

7/10/20 5:01pm

Hypothesis: the high rate of Californians who moved to UT is responsible?

BleedCougarBlue2

7/10/20 2:08pm

No.. Forbes voted SLC "America's Vainest City" way back in 2007.

TheLost

7/10/20 2:24pm

Who cares?

SpiffCoug

7/10/20 2:27pm

Link?

Real Men Wear Blue

7/10/20 2:38pm

RE: Link?

TheLost

7/10/20 3:10pm

Are you sure you’re looking at plastic surgery rate vs “bad plastic surgery?”

lilpenny

7/10/20 2:59pm

$$$

ditch

7/10/20 3:14pm

Because members want to stay as Draper Mom's.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 4:27pm

The Chatwin couple is why. They are the embodiment of Utah culture

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 4:27pm

RE: The Chatwin couple is why. They are the embodiment of Utah culture

Gustav

7/10/20 4:35pm

Check the link. It makes me cringe.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 7:10pm

That's disturbing. Never heard of them and they don't appear to be LDS.

BYU Grounds

7/10/20 7:35pm

They are. He served a mission. Married in the temple etc.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 8:00pm

An appreciation for breasts

kimdaddy35

7/10/20 4:54pm

Amen.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 7:07pm

Your mom.

D.T. Survivor

7/10/20 4:56pm

I’m late to this thread, and it may have already been stated

Gigo

7/10/20 5:22pm

There are also a lot more dentists and pilots in Utah compared to most places.

LCcoug

7/10/20 5:22pm

I have no idea if Utah has the most implants, but I doubt there is a metro with

Jay Kay

7/10/20 5:42pm

Because with each child the need becomes greater.

timponyloco

7/10/20 6:05pm

My wife flew back to Utah to get her’s done.

CrimsonCardinal

7/10/20 6:12pm

Enjoy my friend.

RestonWarrior89

7/10/20 7:07pm

At least once every two weeks, my friend.

CrimsonCardinal

7/13/20 6:26pm

I'd say your ROI isn't paying off.

slowhiteguy

7/13/20 7:20pm

Very true.

RestonWarrior89

7/14/20 1:33pm

Not enough Bang for my buck?

CrimsonCardinal

7/16/20 7:18am

Relatively young mothers.

kccougar

7/12/20 9:14am

Dad's need new toys.

RestonWarrior89

7/13/20 12:47pm

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