Thanks for sharing, I don't doubt you're right.

Jul 16, 2020
10:49:17am

game.blouses Contributor

Admittedly the stuff I've read talking about the some drawbacks of dairy come from (surprise, surprise) pro-vegan sources. But there were studies and science behind it.

I'm glad that there's science that point towards the positives of dairy, too.

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game.blouses

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My buy, sell, or hold take on ten contemporary diet trends

Doctor Rosenrosen

7/16/20 10:06am

What about, when it comes to weight loss, it’s calories in vs calories out above all else?

Slim

7/16/20 10:09am

Is that a diet trend? It seems more like a base assumption to me...

jaromp

7/16/20 10:12am

Sorry. The trend seems to be ignoring my statement

Slim

7/16/20 10:15am

Overly simplistic. Sell. Hormones, insulin, etc... all play a role. I can

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 10:21am

You can't gain weight with a caloric deficit even if you are on insulin

Slim

7/16/20 10:24am

It's about how fast you lose it, what type of weight you lose, muscle or fat or

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 10:29am

So a caloric deficit will lead to weight loss. Got it. I'm not advocating irresponsible and unsustainable caloric

Slim

7/16/20 10:34am

Of course it will. But when we are talking weight loss we are refering to fat

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 10:38am

Caloric deficit will lead to weight loss. That is my point. How to do this in a manner that is sustainable

Slim

7/16/20 10:43am

Hormones may effect the calories out, but calories in vs calories out is the

cougaman

7/16/20 10:28am

What does that have to do with anything? If you consume more calories than you use, you'll gain and if you use more than

Byron McNertney

7/16/20 10:29am

False. Your body is extremely efficient. It can adjust for less calories and

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 10:36am

Then you adjust your caloric intake or increase exercise to maintain a caloric deficit

Slim

7/16/20 10:38am

Yes, you can do that. But if you factor in the role of insulin, etc... and how

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 10:40am

WTY? It's like people are posting something and you're replying, "No! It's actually [what that person just wrote]."

Byron McNertney

7/16/20 10:43am

What are you talking about? I'm saying CICO is true. But it is not the end all

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 10:51am

My statement was "above all else" of course there are nuances on how to do it in a sustainable manner and stay healthy.

Slim

7/16/20 10:58am

The jury is still out for me on the CICO trend. On one hand it's good because it

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 11:06am

Wait, so if you stop doing what you were doing to lose, you gain weight back?

cougaman

7/16/20 11:23am

Yes, but you may actually gain weight back much faster and will continue to gain

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 11:37am

Well the C I C O principal actually always applies regardless of the quality of

DJROSS

7/16/20 2:00pm

This. You said it much better than I did.

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 2:04pm

That does absolutely nothing whatsoever to refute my comment.

Byron McNertney

7/16/20 10:42am

It absolutely does. If you're trying to say all that matters is CICO than

CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 10:46am

I think you're reading way more into my posts than I actually wrote. Everything you said falls under the CICO umbrella.

Byron McNertney

7/16/20 11:07am

If you decide to eat a bowl of plain white rice and I eat watermelon we on the

DJROSS

7/16/20 2:14pm

Agreed. Some foods are metabolized differently than others.

j-woot

7/16/20 10:41am

100% scientifically and anecdotally proven to lose weight. Flexible dieting is best and most sustainable way to diet and

TheLoneCougar

7/16/20 10:47am

This sounds like an excuse fat people make

Cheesy Gordita

7/16/20 3:05pm

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CougarTailDevourer

7/16/20 3:12pm

I agree with all these except I'd change 7 and 9 to hold.

game.blouses

7/16/20 10:23am

Completely disagree with you on dairy. Data is strong that dairy is solid

Medute

7/16/20 10:33am

Thanks for sharing, I don't doubt you're right.

game.blouses

7/16/20 10:49am

The problem with these studies is that they are not differentiating the type

DJROSS

7/16/20 4:37pm

I agree 100% with all of this

Medute

7/16/20 10:24am

I agree

DJROSS

7/16/20 10:33am

Lol, fake doc posts OP, gets tons of support. Real doc/very fit guy posts in thread, gets arguments. Never change CB

SJS

7/16/20 10:40am

Haven't seen other thread, but being a doctor doesn't mean you know nutrition

Medute

7/16/20 10:43am

Let’s get to the point: are you saying Slim doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

SJS

7/16/20 10:48am

They're arguing past each other.

a priori

7/16/20 10:53am

I have no idea...maybe?

Medute

7/16/20 5:11pm

I don't 100% agree with 7 and 8. Plenty of research showing that every person has a sensitivity to these things

TheLoneCougar

7/16/20 10:51am

Can you share sources on Alzheimer’s and dairy?

Medute

7/16/20 5:13pm

Agree across the board with one quibble

JollyGreenGiant

7/16/20 11:27am

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