Top BYU students compare with top students anywhere very favorably.

Sep 14, 2020
12:56:16pm

I'm Dynamite Walk-on

The average may be lower. But the top is excellent. A little bit like the football team, where starters often compare well, but depth is lacking.

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BYU dropped to #80 in US News and World Report rankings

run26

9/14/20 12:15pm

Probably some change in rating criteria, like diversity or something.

Turnpike Lane

9/14/20 12:16pm

Probably less to do with academics and more to do with wokeness.

Ragnar Danneskjold

9/14/20 12:16pm

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rivercitycoug

9/14/20 12:19pm

If we control for certain factors of their ranking, things look very different

I'm Dynamite

9/14/20 12:19pm

lack of wokeness and critical race theory acceptance.

Iman23

9/14/20 12:19pm

Here are the factors that determine the rankings

newbie

9/14/20 12:22pm

for those who posted above - it has nothing to do with wokeness 🙂

newbie

9/14/20 12:23pm

At least overtly

BYU '80

9/14/20 12:30pm

Yeah, there's a couple very subjective rankings, like peer assessment...

Ragnar Danneskjold

9/14/20 12:32pm

It'll get there...they'll add a diversity index or some other PC nonsense. It's

Iman23

9/14/20 12:32pm

Things that hurt BYU's ranking that don't affect student outcomes (bad measures)

I'm Dynamite

9/14/20 12:54pm

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rivercitycoug

9/14/20 12:23pm

"Increased the weight of outcome measures. "

ag4cougs

9/14/20 12:29pm

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rivercitycoug

9/14/20 12:29pm

If you aren't from Utah and just look at the numbers, BYU and Utah look similar.

DoseOfReality

9/14/20 12:35pm

right now BYU and UU are 10-15 spots apart, not exactly significant

run26

9/14/20 12:37pm

Also - BYU get's downgraded for having a low graduation rate

newbie

9/14/20 12:37pm

that's not new

run26

9/14/20 12:45pm

Maybe more female missionaries?

I'm Dynamite

9/14/20 1:25pm

But there are also way more students now than in the past who don't enroll at

Scratch

9/14/20 1:28pm

That's true. We'd need numbers to decide.

I'm Dynamite

9/14/20 1:44pm

Anecdotal, but still...

Division Bell

9/14/20 12:49pm

Top BYU students compare with top students anywhere very favorably.

I'm Dynamite

9/14/20 12:56pm

Point is that dropping down to #80 seems drastic, and not related to academics.

Division Bell

9/14/20 12:59pm

I agree. See my post above about bad measures.

I'm Dynamite

9/14/20 1:04pm

Yes, but the flip side is also very true. As noted above, the weight of

Scratch

9/14/20 1:27pm

Which side is it?

I'm Dynamite

9/14/20 1:44pm

Scratch is Utah fan trying to argue Utah is better than BYU academically

Lieutenant America

9/15/20 3:34am

In some ways it is, and in some ways it isn’t. Tons of ranking systems have the

Scratch

9/15/20 7:14am

I’m only aware of one semi-reputable ranking system that has Utah ahead of BYU

Lieutenant America

9/15/20 9:09am

The one everyone looks at is US News World Report

run26

9/15/20 10:40am

This is actually incredibly disappointing and almost pathetic by BYU admin.

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