state school — just like the schools in AZ, OR, WA and CO. They aren't as left-leaning as the some of the schools, but that shouldn't really be a consideration (albeit, Stanford, Cal, UCLA come across a little bigoted for their anti-religious stances). It's OK to accept that uu is fine in the pac and still be a huge BYU fan. I'd love for BYU to be in a non-Covid-era PAC.