And they were efficient against Kansas (who beat Baylor). Ignoring an entire

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Mr. Scoobs All-American

And they were efficient against Kansas (who beat Baylor). Ignoring an entire

season and drawing major conclusions on a single game isn’t not objective. There is a reason the NBA plays 7 game series. Basketball is a crazy sport and if you think Gonzaga wasn’t a top 2 team you have zero objectivity in your analysis.

They aren’t still #1 in every quality metric (KenPom, Sagarin, BPI etc.) by some fluke. All the stats have Gonzaga favored which is far more objective than a random fans “eye test” based off one game.

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Few got out coached by Drew last night. I bet we see three Gonzaga starters

RC Vikings

4/6/21 7:31am

I don't know if Baylor played that aggressive all season but that was definitely

JuicyJam

4/6/21 7:38am

kispert thought he was done when a shot would go up. Just turns and watches

bald man

4/6/21 8:00am

The Gonzaga players’ lack of poise was a big problem

Coop

4/6/21 7:42am

Baylor just shot it way better. Happens.

4/6/21 7:42am

They shot worse. But got 18 more shots because of rebounding and TOs

byubyu

4/6/21 7:47am

3 pt shooting was a big difference. Baylor was 10-23 and Gonzaga was 5-17. But

bob falfa

4/6/21 8:34am

Offensive rebounds too.

oldrugger

4/6/21 9:20am

Gonzaga should have been able to turn things around when Baylor's top bigs went

byujacob

4/6/21 7:43am

Vital at 6' 5" was playing like a big, he was pretty impressive down low.

RC Vikings

4/6/21 7:46am

Gonzaga looked soft

bluelands

4/6/21 7:46am

Baylor has better and far more athletic players. They shot and rebounded

WallaX2

4/6/21 7:48am

Shoot the same shots again and you’d expect a 50/50 game:

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 7:49am

I don't care what his algorithm says, if Baylor gets 18 more shot attempts, the

byubyu

4/6/21 7:54am

Clearly that was the biggest problem. But people are overreacting too much over

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 8:22am

I cheer for Gonzaga but don't see Gonzage winning more than 2 games in a 7 game

johnnybyu

4/6/21 8:35am

I guess what I'm saying is that I wouldn't favor them in a best of 7 if Baylor

byubyu

4/6/21 8:37am

You might be Gonzaga’s biggest defender.

garyfan

4/6/21 7:55am

That makes zero sense! Gonzaga struggled to get into an offensive flow the

U2wearblue

4/6/21 8:24am

I think gonzaga was tired, their guards were lazy with the ball,

bald man

4/6/21 7:59am

Gonzaga had less than 48 hours after that emotional win Saturday. They came out

TailgateU

4/6/21 8:04am

Wow, the Gonzaga goggles are thick on this board.

garyfan

4/6/21 8:16am

You’re right. But that Gonzaga team was 2nd best in all of college basketball,

bigbossbyu

4/6/21 8:47am

I've simply watched enough to know that much of Gonzaga's problem last night was

TailgateU

4/6/21 12:04pm

Not many objective observers would watch last night's game and conclude that

garyfan

4/6/21 12:43pm

Which is why evaluating teams based on one game isn’t an objective process.

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 12:52pm

I don't doubt that Gonzaga is really efficient against Pacific and USD.

garyfan

4/6/21 1:07pm

And they were efficient against Kansas (who beat Baylor). Ignoring an entire

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 1:21pm

When did I say they aren't a top-2 team? I'm pushing back on the ridiculous

garyfan

4/6/21 3:01pm

Explain how objective quality metrics are ridiculous? How are favorites

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 3:17pm

I favor what happens on the court over what happens with an algorithm.

garyfan

4/6/21 3:26pm

So is Oklahoma st or Kansas better than Baylor based on the “court results”

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 3:32pm

No, because we have ON COURT evidence that OSU and Kansas are inferior to Baylor

garyfan

4/6/21 3:42pm

GU beat Kansas and Baylor lost to Kansas. So Baylor can never take that loss out

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 3:54pm

When you’re resorting to the transitive property to make your case,

garyfan

4/6/21 3:57pm

Tried to dumb it down since things like KenPom, Sagarin, Massey ratings, Vegas

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 4:00pm

I bet even Gonzaga admits they were overmatched, but here you are,

garyfan

4/6/21 4:39pm

You asked why people would still bet on Gonzaga—I provided several objective

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 5:10pm

It’s completely crazy because those two teams just played a game and the outcome

garyfan

4/6/21 5:36pm

on the money

4/6/21 12:44pm

gonzaga wasn't interested in controlling the boards, protecting the ball, or

bald man

4/6/21 1:39pm

I don’t see three NBA players on Gonzaga. Gonzaga’s guards got owned by the

U2wearblue

4/6/21 8:14am

Suggs will be a player, Timme and Kispert will make a roster for a year or two

RC Vikings

4/6/21 8:30am

I doubt kispert will. dude can't defend athletic quick guys.

bald man

4/6/21 9:55am

College basketball is a fickle sport. Late in the season, Baylor looked

4/6/21 8:31am

This. Plus it's one game. Baylor was on fire and Zags played poorly.

byulover

4/6/21 10:33am

Baylor has at least 3 NBA guys

Roscoe Mendenhall

4/6/21 8:59am

And the refs.

Updating...

4/6/21 9:10am

Honestly I was very impressed by Jared Butler and Davion Mitchell, both

TO11

4/6/21 9:37am

I can see Butler as a George Hill type player, Mitchell is good but I'm not

RC Vikings

4/6/21 10:34am

Mitchell is an elite defender, does not turn it over, and can finish at the rim.

Coach's Dad

4/6/21 10:39am

Baylor has two first round draft picks and two possible second rounders and

BYUheaven

4/6/21 10:30am

yep, i thought the same thing

4slyce

4/6/21 10:36am

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