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Apr 6, 2021
3:17:13pm

Mr. Scoobs All-American

Explain how objective quality metrics are ridiculous? How are favorites

being Determined in your mind? I’m not using subjective opinion—I’m referring to unbiased data.

I don’t think your extrapolation of a single game is more objective than an entire seasons worth of results.

It would be a very flawed position to dismiss all objective data like KenPom, Sagarin etc over an entire season and default your entire position based on a one game. Betting lines aren’t that emotional.

Oregon st lost to Portland in the regular season than went on to the elite 8. Portland wouldn’t be favored to beat Oregon st.

Baylor lost to Oklahoma st by double digits in the big 12 tourney—doesn’t mean okla st would be favored against them in a 7 game series—

Ohio st. would be favored vs. Oral roberts despite losing head to head in the tournament. Gonzaga was favored for a reason—not just blind hype.

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Few got out coached by Drew last night. I bet we see three Gonzaga starters

RC Vikings

4/6/21 7:31am

I don't know if Baylor played that aggressive all season but that was definitely

JuicyJam

4/6/21 7:38am

kispert thought he was done when a shot would go up. Just turns and watches

bald man

4/6/21 8:00am

The Gonzaga players’ lack of poise was a big problem

Coop

4/6/21 7:42am

Baylor just shot it way better. Happens.

4/6/21 7:42am

They shot worse. But got 18 more shots because of rebounding and TOs

byubyu

4/6/21 7:47am

3 pt shooting was a big difference. Baylor was 10-23 and Gonzaga was 5-17. But

bob falfa

4/6/21 8:34am

Offensive rebounds too.

oldrugger

4/6/21 9:20am

Gonzaga should have been able to turn things around when Baylor's top bigs went

byujacob

4/6/21 7:43am

Vital at 6' 5" was playing like a big, he was pretty impressive down low.

RC Vikings

4/6/21 7:46am

Gonzaga looked soft

bluelands

4/6/21 7:46am

Baylor has better and far more athletic players. They shot and rebounded

WallaX2

4/6/21 7:48am

Shoot the same shots again and you’d expect a 50/50 game:

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 7:49am

I don't care what his algorithm says, if Baylor gets 18 more shot attempts, the

byubyu

4/6/21 7:54am

Clearly that was the biggest problem. But people are overreacting too much over

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 8:22am

I cheer for Gonzaga but don't see Gonzage winning more than 2 games in a 7 game

johnnybyu

4/6/21 8:35am

I guess what I'm saying is that I wouldn't favor them in a best of 7 if Baylor

byubyu

4/6/21 8:37am

You might be Gonzaga’s biggest defender.

garyfan

4/6/21 7:55am

That makes zero sense! Gonzaga struggled to get into an offensive flow the

U2wearblue

4/6/21 8:24am

I think gonzaga was tired, their guards were lazy with the ball,

bald man

4/6/21 7:59am

Gonzaga had less than 48 hours after that emotional win Saturday. They came out

TailgateU

4/6/21 8:04am

Wow, the Gonzaga goggles are thick on this board.

garyfan

4/6/21 8:16am

You’re right. But that Gonzaga team was 2nd best in all of college basketball,

bigbossbyu

4/6/21 8:47am

I've simply watched enough to know that much of Gonzaga's problem last night was

TailgateU

4/6/21 12:04pm

Not many objective observers would watch last night's game and conclude that

garyfan

4/6/21 12:43pm

Which is why evaluating teams based on one game isn’t an objective process.

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 12:52pm

I don't doubt that Gonzaga is really efficient against Pacific and USD.

garyfan

4/6/21 1:07pm

And they were efficient against Kansas (who beat Baylor). Ignoring an entire

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 1:21pm

When did I say they aren't a top-2 team? I'm pushing back on the ridiculous

garyfan

4/6/21 3:01pm

Explain how objective quality metrics are ridiculous? How are favorites

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 3:17pm

I favor what happens on the court over what happens with an algorithm.

garyfan

4/6/21 3:26pm

So is Oklahoma st or Kansas better than Baylor based on the “court results”

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 3:32pm

No, because we have ON COURT evidence that OSU and Kansas are inferior to Baylor

garyfan

4/6/21 3:42pm

GU beat Kansas and Baylor lost to Kansas. So Baylor can never take that loss out

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 3:54pm

When you’re resorting to the transitive property to make your case,

garyfan

4/6/21 3:57pm

Tried to dumb it down since things like KenPom, Sagarin, Massey ratings, Vegas

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 4:00pm

I bet even Gonzaga admits they were overmatched, but here you are,

garyfan

4/6/21 4:39pm

You asked why people would still bet on Gonzaga—I provided several objective

Mr. Scoobs

4/6/21 5:10pm

It’s completely crazy because those two teams just played a game and the outcome

garyfan

4/6/21 5:36pm

on the money

4/6/21 12:44pm

gonzaga wasn't interested in controlling the boards, protecting the ball, or

bald man

4/6/21 1:39pm

I don’t see three NBA players on Gonzaga. Gonzaga’s guards got owned by the

U2wearblue

4/6/21 8:14am

Suggs will be a player, Timme and Kispert will make a roster for a year or two

RC Vikings

4/6/21 8:30am

I doubt kispert will. dude can't defend athletic quick guys.

bald man

4/6/21 9:55am

College basketball is a fickle sport. Late in the season, Baylor looked

4/6/21 8:31am

This. Plus it's one game. Baylor was on fire and Zags played poorly.

byulover

4/6/21 10:33am

Baylor has at least 3 NBA guys

Roscoe Mendenhall

4/6/21 8:59am

And the refs.

Updating...

4/6/21 9:10am

Honestly I was very impressed by Jared Butler and Davion Mitchell, both

TO11

4/6/21 9:37am

I can see Butler as a George Hill type player, Mitchell is good but I'm not

RC Vikings

4/6/21 10:34am

Mitchell is an elite defender, does not turn it over, and can finish at the rim.

Coach's Dad

4/6/21 10:39am

Baylor has two first round draft picks and two possible second rounders and

BYUheaven

4/6/21 10:30am

yep, i thought the same thing

4slyce

4/6/21 10:36am

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