2006-2009 was awesome - nationally ranked, conference titles, beating Utah, etc

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May 14, 2021
3:48:47pm

BYU Fan All-American

2006-2009 was awesome - nationally ranked, conference titles, beating Utah, etc

Realistically what on earth do BYU fans expect more than 2006-2009? The PAC 12 or Big 12 aren't calling. And complete irrelevance starting each October completely sucks.

BYU has no chance of doing anything better than 2006-2009 (#25, #16, #14, #12) as an independent. The ceiling is at best an NY6 game and that is somewhat of a pipe dream already given the current structure (see last years quirky season).

BYU has a better chance of playing for a national championship as a member of the AAC than they do as independent.

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Is there any good reason to NOT try to join the AAC?

krindorr

5/14/21 2:50pm

Geography. Memphis. Nuff said.

SinkingQuffa

5/14/21 2:51pm

Agreed, given travel/geography, it would have to be football only

krindorr

5/14/21 4:00pm

I like Beal Street.

Archaea

5/14/21 4:47pm

2, 3, and 5 are all false IMO.

Lance71

5/14/21 2:53pm

Opinions vs Facts; those teams do outdraw us and do get more money

krindorr

5/14/21 3:23pm

You are wrong about the money. BYU gets more money as an independent. Football

Cougar TD

5/14/21 5:06pm

Also, joining any conference would make it tougher to join a P5 conference since

ManicBlue

5/14/21 10:13pm

I'm suggesting AAC for football only

krindorr

5/15/21 6:46am

You keep saying the money difference would be much better in the AAC.

ManicBlue

5/16/21 3:25am

I'll take your points one at a time

krindorr

5/16/21 7:44am

That's just it, you are going off of "data" you found on the internet.

Cougar TD

5/16/21 11:13am

Data that was published by BYU and is across all sports

krindorr

5/16/21 11:41am

I know, I get it. You are going off that number. But it isn't everything. The

Cougar TD

5/16/21 12:15pm

$5M is/was a huge boost so that's good

krindorr

5/16/21 12:48pm

You state the AAC just signed a new contract but so did BYU.

ManicBlue

5/16/21 1:36pm

Yup, looking forward to BYUs next financial disclosure statement to calculate

krindorr

5/16/21 2:59pm

RE: Yup, looking forward to BYUs next financial disclosure statement to

Cougar TD

5/16/21 3:04pm

It was well published by West Virginia that BYU received $4 million just for

Lance71

5/16/21 2:04pm

Good point. I'm sure BYU will make nice $$$ from the game with AZ in Vegas

Doogal McCougar

5/17/21 9:21am

Money. The new contract is not 4.5 a year. Being in a conference doesn't make us better positioned for P5

molodyets

5/14/21 2:53pm

Didn’t Zach Morris hint that it was around 4.5M-5M/yr?

LyleLanley

5/14/21 2:55pm

Not sure if we've signed a new contract how that's changed

krindorr

5/14/21 4:12pm

We have signed a new contract and if you think the contract is only paying the

DeekLyfter

5/14/21 7:37pm

Great, I'd love to update my numbers; do you have any data or facts?

krindorr

5/15/21 6:46am

I don’t see any negatives

LyleLanley

5/14/21 2:54pm

"Inclusion in a G5 conference" No thanks.

Rat

5/14/21 2:57pm

BYU had their best season since 2007 playing a G5 schedule...

WJCougar

5/14/21 3:00pm

Last year was a P5 schedule?

Mountain Rat

5/14/21 3:06pm

what does valley rat have to say?

Agnostic-alumni

5/14/21 3:09pm

If we want to eternally be the BYU of 2006-2009, or 2020, then we should join

shoganai

5/14/21 3:09pm

2006-2009 was awesome - nationally ranked, conference titles, beating Utah, etc

BYU Fan

5/14/21 3:48pm

Well, going to the AAC won't get us any closer to beating Utah again. But, there

shoganai

5/14/21 4:08pm

Sadly, I'm pretty sure we're not playing for a natty as an independent either

krindorr

5/14/21 5:19pm

And therein lies the key difference.

shoganai

5/14/21 6:03pm

If the goal is a natty, I think BYU has just as good of a shot in the AAC

BYU Fan

5/14/21 6:21pm

I strongly disagree.

shoganai

5/14/21 6:55pm

Absolutely no evidence to support that.

CougarThug

5/14/21 8:29pm

No evidence against it either though really

krindorr

5/15/21 6:57am

I believe that recruiting can improve by joining and winning in the AAC

BYU Fan

5/14/21 6:23pm

I doubt that, but I guess we don't really know.

shoganai

5/14/21 6:57pm

Do we have that chance now? NY6 easier in AAC, playoff a pipe dream either way

krindorr

5/14/21 3:50pm

If we called Mike Aresco and said we want to be team 12 it would be a done deal in an hour.

molodyets

5/14/21 3:51pm

Those five years are also the five best QB years in that

wjman11

5/14/21 7:55pm

Only because we had the benefit of the doubt that we wanted better teams but

Rat

5/14/21 3:10pm

Thanks Jarom. We know your stance on this.

flyonawall

5/14/21 3:56pm

Travel...

Phred84044

5/14/21 2:59pm

Travel is a legit issue; my assumption would be that this is football only

krindorr

5/14/21 3:32pm

Yes. Several.

shoganai

5/14/21 2:59pm

Tons. And 2, 3, and 5 aren't true. 1 doesn't matter. 4 isn't worth sacrificing what we have in independence.

5/14/21 3:00pm

But data says 2, 3, 5 ARE true. Seems we just really don't want to accept that

krindorr

5/14/21 3:28pm

No it doesn’t. Your assumptions are incorrect

5/14/21 3:31pm

OK, I at least have data that I'm looking at; can you tell where I'm wrong?

krindorr

5/14/21 3:40pm

it's been had out for years. The arguments are old and boring. Your assumptions are wrong. But that's not new. Faulty

5/14/21 3:43pm

So I keep sharing data and you keep stating it's wrong with no justification...

krindorr

5/14/21 3:45pm

Yep. I'm not really interested in getting into all of it since it's been done a million times. But your assumptions are

5/14/21 3:52pm

I really cannot stand people who argue like you. “Your wrong cuz I can’t handle

GeorgeAlbertsgoatie

5/14/21 4:26pm

Nope. Also wrong. The argument has been hashed out many, many, many times. And I personally have pointed out

5/14/21 5:08pm

But that’s your opinion.

LyleLanley

5/14/21 5:42pm

Link

thebell

5/14/21 7:09pm

Probably because then it's evident there's no justification for those guesses

krindorr

5/14/21 7:27pm

Also because anyone claiming ESPN gives BYU $15M/yr is laughable (SEC gets $20M)

krindorr

5/15/21 7:12am

The SEC was getting ~43 million. ESPN taking over the lone CBS game is giving them a 20mm bump to 60+.

molodyets

5/15/21 9:16am

That's for the conference, not per team. 10yrs/$3B split between 14 teams = $21M

krindorr

5/15/21 9:22am

That is just the contract for the single afternoon game they took from CBS.

molodyets

5/15/21 9:24am

The $45 million was the per team payout and included postseason and bowl bonuses

krindorr

5/15/21 10:22am

You’re misunderstanding. The most recent 21mm deal was just for the the SEC game of the week. That’s it. The entire rest

molodyets

5/15/21 10:52am

Misunderstanding seems to be what he's best at.

DeekLyfter

5/15/21 1:45pm

Holy crap, you're right....

krindorr

5/15/21 4:41pm

Thank you for illustrating my point exactly. And if you don’t care to elaborate

GeorgeAlbertsgoatie

5/14/21 8:23pm

Nope. Even here you’ve demonstrated bad assumptions.

5/14/21 10:07pm

Dude. We get it. Only your opinion matters.

LyleLanley

5/14/21 10:10pm

Such a dumb response.

Ham

5/15/21 7:17am

It doesn't matter what you say you're sharing. You're not actually sharing any

5/14/21 10:14pm

2 assumes that the reason the viewership is higher because of the AAC not vs those programs specifically.

molodyets

5/14/21 3:48pm

Thanks, some validity there; I hope it's not true though (for expansion reasons)

krindorr

5/14/21 3:56pm

It's largely a time zone issue.

molodyets

5/14/21 3:59pm

True, & one of the larger issues against Big12 taking BYU (vs those other teams)

krindorr

5/14/21 4:06pm

Phew, it had been a few weeks since someone posted about going G5.

bluescholar

5/14/21 3:00pm

Yes, more and better reasons than reasons to join

Gustav

5/14/21 3:21pm

Why would a Big-12 bound school want to join the AAC?

zsmooth

5/14/21 3:22pm

Get a Bowl Deal with the Sunbelt, keep our regular season schedules

HawkeyeCoug

5/14/21 3:25pm

Intriguing; not sure this would work, but it's at least thinking outside the box

krindorr

5/14/21 5:38pm

We get into better bowls ourselves than the Sun Belt has. Hard pass.

ManicBlue

5/14/21 10:19pm

You left out playing in a conference based in the east coast

byusage

5/14/21 3:40pm

As a positive or a negative?

krindorr

5/14/21 3:41pm

It's an obvious negative travel wise. Look at history- long distance

byusage

5/14/21 4:10pm

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byusage

5/14/21 4:03pm

Its a G5 - might as well just stop sports.

TeeKaa

5/14/21 4:07pm

Lol at CBer’s claiming points 2, 3 and 5 are not true when there is clear

_Dakoko

5/14/21 5:16pm

Yeah, that is a loser mentality

Zip

5/14/21 5:24pm

Non-football and basketball sports are doing great in the WCC for the most part.

fbguru

5/14/21 5:27pm

Agree, should have specified this is football-only

krindorr

5/14/21 5:31pm

I like the AAC. I like the expanded AAC even more (with BYU, Boise, and SDSU)

Doogal McCougar

5/14/21 6:25pm

At that point you might as well build from scratch

krindorr

5/14/21 7:24pm

“Huge markets” isn’t a great sell for TV money. You need dedicated fans, not warm bodies.

molodyets

5/14/21 8:09pm

Eh, it's a combination; market size = growth potential

krindorr

5/15/21 6:52am

The ONLY reason to join AAC would be if becoming part of P6 were part of it.

Hill4Heisman

5/14/21 6:47pm

Good reasons to join also many more reasons not too at this time

kahuna

5/14/21 8:03pm

This is a good measuring stick for the kind of person you are m

Pretorian

5/14/21 8:35pm

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