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Oct 13, 2021
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valcorger
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Fine, but please stop bending on the 3rd and 10+ plays. That is where the drives should stop. Not later when in FG range
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Tuiaki said that Boise came up with a gameplan that they hadn't shown this
Rat
10/13/21 2:12pm
Tuiaki adjusted fine....it was the fumbles that caused the loss in the end.
WJCougar
10/13/21 2:13pm
True. We will never really know, but without the fumbles, those points at least
rockhound
10/13/21 2:28pm
BYU, the only place in the nation that thinks letting the other team convert on
Blue Print
10/13/21 2:14pm
No one thinks that. Why you think that is confusing.
Indy Coug
10/13/21 2:15pm
You’ve obviously missed the entire argument over bend don’t break and how all
Blue Print
10/13/21 3:13pm
That still doesn't translate into 3rd and long conversions 'being a good thing'. It translates to
Indy Coug
10/13/21 3:18pm
None of the caricature of an argument that you created is what anyone actually argues or thinks.
mvtoro
10/13/21 3:25pm
Bend don't break inevitably means giving your opponent more yards and plays
BYU313
10/13/21 3:54pm
Fine, but please stop bending on the 3rd and 10+ plays. That is where the drives should stop. Not later when in FG range
valcorger
10/13/21 4:57pm
Yes 3rd and long is definitely somewhere we need to get better
BYU313
10/13/21 6:44pm
I think you misunderstand yourself that 7 yards is better than 35.
ochobeeguy
10/13/21 5:24pm
RE: BYU, the only place in the nation that thinks letting the other team convert
The Dark Knight
10/13/21 2:26pm
Strawman argument. Pointless comment
Machiavelli
10/13/21 4:40pm
And the only team that blames all offensive woes on the defense
D.T. Survivor
10/13/21 6:38pm
On drives that began farther than 24 yards from the BYU end zone, they allowed 12 points last week
Indy Coug
10/13/21 2:14pm
How many possessions did the defense gove the off during that time?
CarolinaCoug
10/13/21 2:31pm
Listen, if you score only 7 points on the last 8 possessions, that's not a defense problem
Indy Coug
10/13/21 2:33pm
I think what people are struggling with
Boring
10/13/21 6:37pm
Defense needs to force turnovers and get some short fields for the o in some
BYU '80
10/13/21 10:32pm
Did we watch the same game?
moabmax
10/13/21 2:41pm
Byu had poor field position most of the game because
BYU '80
10/13/21 10:31pm
The bottom 7 teams in the NFL in time of possession all have losing records.
YaHerdWithPerd
10/13/21 2:16pm
The r^2 of time of possession to margin of victory in CFB is 0.22
Indy Coug
10/13/21 2:17pm
Yet we lost the possession battle by 7 minutes. I'm not saying you have to win
YaHerdWithPerd
10/13/21 2:22pm
We lost the time of possession battle in large part because we couldn't hold onto the ball
Indy Coug
10/13/21 2:23pm
Well when your offense has 4 turnovers you typically lose the TOP battle no
Rat
10/13/21 2:24pm
Offense stunk. I count turnover on downs too. We had 6 TOs
YaHerdWithPerd
10/13/21 2:28pm
Too many things skew TOP
BYU313
10/13/21 4:01pm
There is a strong correlation, but not causation. It's something coaches want to
Schultz is back
10/13/21 2:21pm
I'm with you. Defense wasn't the reason we lost. we play boring but good D in
YaHerdWithPerd
10/13/21 2:24pm
Generally agree, turnovers definitely impacted the game
Traveller 1968
10/13/21 2:47pm
Some actual stats for your perusal
kimdaddy35
10/13/21 2:19pm
Points allowed is more important than any of those stats
Rat
10/13/21 2:20pm
No it isn't. Points allowed per drive is far more important. Surprised you wouldn't know that.
kimdaddy35
10/13/21 2:21pm
And surprisingly that is one of the things our D is pretty good at
Rat
10/13/21 2:25pm
#49 before last week and it likely went down.
kimdaddy35
10/13/21 2:26pm
We are now #50
kimdaddy35
10/13/21 2:31pm
All drives are not equal. Starting point of drives matter a whole lot.
TempeCoug
10/13/21 2:31pm
Great point! Would it surprise you that our average starting field position on offense is ranked #98 and on defense we
kimdaddy35
10/13/21 2:37pm
If we’re talking about the BSU game those stats don’t make any sense.
TempeCoug
10/13/21 2:50pm
Do you think we are only talking about one game or an entire season+ in this thread regarding Tuiaki? It also shows you
kimdaddy35
10/13/21 2:53pm
The original post is specifically talking about the Boise game.
Blueto
10/13/21 3:17pm
Now we're getting somewhere....good info
Traveller 1968
10/13/21 4:59pm
Our defense is #34 in points per drive on “medium-length” drives. Those are drives that begin between the offense’s 20
mvtoro
10/13/21 3:37pm
That’s good info. 34th is good but not great. I think lots of folks would
TempeCoug
10/13/21 3:57pm
To be clear that’s just the “medium distance” PPD. Over Kalani’s tenure, defense has been better than offense in PPD
mvtoro
10/13/21 5:26pm
Points allowed is deceptive when you consider the scheme. Does a basketball
kotacoug
10/13/21 2:51pm
A thing people don't get about coaching defense
Blueto
10/13/21 2:19pm
Are you Tuiaki? A good defense is an attacking defense and not a reactionary one
kimdaddy35
10/13/21 2:43pm
The entire team—players and coaches- served up
Vegasjohn
10/13/21 7:09pm
That sucks. Props to them. They saved their special defense for us.
TRUE_BLUE_COUGY
10/13/21 2:37pm
So, bad at game planning and even worse at in game adjustments?
BYUFam1
10/13/21 2:53pm
100% agree
kotacoug
10/13/21 2:55pm
Sucks that our coaching staff is so stubborn and incapable of making in game
kotacoug
10/13/21 2:54pm
D isn't the reason we lost, but here's my problem:
Ham
10/13/21 2:55pm
My problem is that this excuse is getting well used by Tuiaki.
Kilgruman
10/13/21 3:50pm
Even in the old days when BYU’s D was flat out terrible
Beggar
10/13/21 5:01pm
unfortunately there is a drop off in capability with reduced D depth
kapcreations
10/14/21 11:59am
Feels like an excuse to me. Boise’s strategy sounds like a good one for us to use against Baylor. Throw a new...
Brisco
10/13/21 3:30pm
Key to winning.. Show something that is new to the other team!
Kilgruman
10/13/21 3:40pm
Well shoot coach. Sorry you are shocked that the game plan from BSU wasn't just
byubyu
10/13/21 4:10pm
It’s probably a foreign concept to him.
kotacoug
10/13/21 4:23pm
Sure hope that Baylor doesn't show us something we haven't seen.
Kilgruman
10/13/21 4:31pm
That’s not exactly what he said
I'mBatman
10/13/21 5:09pm
“But they didn’t do what we wanted them to do”. Is a poor excuse- especially
1984coug
10/13/21 5:10pm
I guess game plans can work. Who would thought that, Tuicrapi?
BDAWG
10/13/21 5:26pm
my problem with our D is it comes at the expense of our offense...
icecougar
10/13/21 7:33pm
Were still seeing an anemic, ineffective pass rush
D.T. Survivor
10/13/21 9:26pm
So what about their gameplan was so hard to figure out?
tjngirlz
10/13/21 8:21pm
If it’s that easy to analyze then i’m surprised you’re not the coach at a D1
Rat
10/13/21 9:27pm
That's the thing... I'm not a D1 coach and even I can see it.
tjngirlz
10/13/21 10:51pm
Gotta love CB experts
Rat
10/13/21 11:21pm
Now that sounded down right disrepectful...
Traveller 1968
10/14/21 7:59pm
So the formula for other teams against BYU is to run
1CougFan
10/13/21 9:24pm
Nevada Reno had 6 sacks, we had 1
stev
10/13/21 9:56pm
But maybe Nevada was expecting what Boise did, so no surprises.
Kilgruman
10/13/21 10:17pm
That’s like the fifth time this year we’ve heard the other team
BYU '80
10/13/21 10:29pm
IMO other teams are seeing BYU on film and realizing they cannot win with
1CougFan
10/14/21 6:16am
Or they realize byu is slow to make adjustments
BYU '80
10/14/21 10:29pm
Yheyare r3alozong.film dont lie..run on byu pass short flats and outs,
CarolinaCoug
10/14/21 11:34pm
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