Yes 3rd and long is definitely somewhere we need to get better

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Oct 13, 2021
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Tuiaki said that Boise came up with a gameplan that they hadn't shown this

Rat

10/13/21 2:12pm

Tuiaki adjusted fine....it was the fumbles that caused the loss in the end.

WJCougar

10/13/21 2:13pm

True. We will never really know, but without the fumbles, those points at least

rockhound

10/13/21 2:28pm

BYU, the only place in the nation that thinks letting the other team convert on

Blue Print

10/13/21 2:14pm

No one thinks that. Why you think that is confusing.

Indy Coug

10/13/21 2:15pm

You’ve obviously missed the entire argument over bend don’t break and how all

Blue Print

10/13/21 3:13pm

That still doesn't translate into 3rd and long conversions 'being a good thing'. It translates to

Indy Coug

10/13/21 3:18pm

None of the caricature of an argument that you created is what anyone actually argues or thinks.

mvtoro

10/13/21 3:25pm

Bend don't break inevitably means giving your opponent more yards and plays

BYU313

10/13/21 3:54pm

Fine, but please stop bending on the 3rd and 10+ plays. That is where the drives should stop. Not later when in FG range

valcorger

10/13/21 4:57pm

Yes 3rd and long is definitely somewhere we need to get better

BYU313

10/13/21 6:44pm

I think you misunderstand yourself that 7 yards is better than 35.

ochobeeguy

10/13/21 5:24pm

RE: BYU, the only place in the nation that thinks letting the other team convert

The Dark Knight

10/13/21 2:26pm

Strawman argument. Pointless comment

Machiavelli

10/13/21 4:40pm

And the only team that blames all offensive woes on the defense

D.T. Survivor

10/13/21 6:38pm

On drives that began farther than 24 yards from the BYU end zone, they allowed 12 points last week

Indy Coug

10/13/21 2:14pm

How many possessions did the defense gove the off during that time?

CarolinaCoug

10/13/21 2:31pm

Listen, if you score only 7 points on the last 8 possessions, that's not a defense problem

Indy Coug

10/13/21 2:33pm

I think what people are struggling with

Boring

10/13/21 6:37pm

Defense needs to force turnovers and get some short fields for the o in some

BYU '80

10/13/21 10:32pm

Did we watch the same game?

moabmax

10/13/21 2:41pm

Byu had poor field position most of the game because

BYU '80

10/13/21 10:31pm

The bottom 7 teams in the NFL in time of possession all have losing records.

YaHerdWithPerd

10/13/21 2:16pm

The r^2 of time of possession to margin of victory in CFB is 0.22

Indy Coug

10/13/21 2:17pm

Yet we lost the possession battle by 7 minutes. I'm not saying you have to win

YaHerdWithPerd

10/13/21 2:22pm

We lost the time of possession battle in large part because we couldn't hold onto the ball

Indy Coug

10/13/21 2:23pm

Well when your offense has 4 turnovers you typically lose the TOP battle no

Rat

10/13/21 2:24pm

Offense stunk. I count turnover on downs too. We had 6 TOs

YaHerdWithPerd

10/13/21 2:28pm

Too many things skew TOP

BYU313

10/13/21 4:01pm

There is a strong correlation, but not causation. It's something coaches want to

Schultz is back

10/13/21 2:21pm

I'm with you. Defense wasn't the reason we lost. we play boring but good D in

YaHerdWithPerd

10/13/21 2:24pm

Generally agree, turnovers definitely impacted the game

Traveller 1968

10/13/21 2:47pm

Some actual stats for your perusal

kimdaddy35

10/13/21 2:19pm

Points allowed is more important than any of those stats

Rat

10/13/21 2:20pm

No it isn't. Points allowed per drive is far more important. Surprised you wouldn't know that.

kimdaddy35

10/13/21 2:21pm

And surprisingly that is one of the things our D is pretty good at

Rat

10/13/21 2:25pm

#49 before last week and it likely went down.

kimdaddy35

10/13/21 2:26pm

We are now #50

kimdaddy35

10/13/21 2:31pm

All drives are not equal. Starting point of drives matter a whole lot.

TempeCoug

10/13/21 2:31pm

Great point! Would it surprise you that our average starting field position on offense is ranked #98 and on defense we

kimdaddy35

10/13/21 2:37pm

If we’re talking about the BSU game those stats don’t make any sense.

TempeCoug

10/13/21 2:50pm

Do you think we are only talking about one game or an entire season+ in this thread regarding Tuiaki? It also shows you

kimdaddy35

10/13/21 2:53pm

The original post is specifically talking about the Boise game.

Blueto

10/13/21 3:17pm

Now we're getting somewhere....good info

Traveller 1968

10/13/21 4:59pm

Our defense is #34 in points per drive on “medium-length” drives. Those are drives that begin between the offense’s 20

mvtoro

10/13/21 3:37pm

That’s good info. 34th is good but not great. I think lots of folks would

TempeCoug

10/13/21 3:57pm

To be clear that’s just the “medium distance” PPD. Over Kalani’s tenure, defense has been better than offense in PPD

mvtoro

10/13/21 5:26pm

Points allowed is deceptive when you consider the scheme. Does a basketball

kotacoug

10/13/21 2:51pm

A thing people don't get about coaching defense

Blueto

10/13/21 2:19pm

Are you Tuiaki? A good defense is an attacking defense and not a reactionary one

kimdaddy35

10/13/21 2:43pm

The entire team—players and coaches- served up

Vegasjohn

10/13/21 7:09pm

That sucks. Props to them. They saved their special defense for us.

TRUE_BLUE_COUGY

10/13/21 2:37pm

So, bad at game planning and even worse at in game adjustments?

BYUFam1

10/13/21 2:53pm

100% agree

kotacoug

10/13/21 2:55pm

Sucks that our coaching staff is so stubborn and incapable of making in game

kotacoug

10/13/21 2:54pm

D isn't the reason we lost, but here's my problem:

Ham

10/13/21 2:55pm

My problem is that this excuse is getting well used by Tuiaki.

Kilgruman

10/13/21 3:50pm

Even in the old days when BYU’s D was flat out terrible

Beggar

10/13/21 5:01pm

unfortunately there is a drop off in capability with reduced D depth

kapcreations

10/14/21 11:59am

Feels like an excuse to me. Boise’s strategy sounds like a good one for us to use against Baylor. Throw a new...

Brisco

10/13/21 3:30pm

Key to winning.. Show something that is new to the other team!

Kilgruman

10/13/21 3:40pm

Well shoot coach. Sorry you are shocked that the game plan from BSU wasn't just

byubyu

10/13/21 4:10pm

It’s probably a foreign concept to him.

kotacoug

10/13/21 4:23pm

Sure hope that Baylor doesn't show us something we haven't seen.

Kilgruman

10/13/21 4:31pm

That’s not exactly what he said

I'mBatman

10/13/21 5:09pm

“But they didn’t do what we wanted them to do”. Is a poor excuse- especially

1984coug

10/13/21 5:10pm

I guess game plans can work. Who would thought that, Tuicrapi?

BDAWG

10/13/21 5:26pm

my problem with our D is it comes at the expense of our offense...

icecougar

10/13/21 7:33pm

Were still seeing an anemic, ineffective pass rush

D.T. Survivor

10/13/21 9:26pm

So what about their gameplan was so hard to figure out?

tjngirlz

10/13/21 8:21pm

If it’s that easy to analyze then i’m surprised you’re not the coach at a D1

Rat

10/13/21 9:27pm

That's the thing... I'm not a D1 coach and even I can see it.

tjngirlz

10/13/21 10:51pm

Gotta love CB experts

Rat

10/13/21 11:21pm

Now that sounded down right disrepectful...

Traveller 1968

10/14/21 7:59pm

So the formula for other teams against BYU is to run

1CougFan

10/13/21 9:24pm

Nevada Reno had 6 sacks, we had 1

stev

10/13/21 9:56pm

But maybe Nevada was expecting what Boise did, so no surprises.

Kilgruman

10/13/21 10:17pm

That’s like the fifth time this year we’ve heard the other team

BYU '80

10/13/21 10:29pm

IMO other teams are seeing BYU on film and realizing they cannot win with

1CougFan

10/14/21 6:16am

Or they realize byu is slow to make adjustments

BYU '80

10/14/21 10:29pm

Yheyare r3alozong.film dont lie..run on byu pass short flats and outs,

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