I wouldn't say Hall couldn't finish at the rim. I think in clutch situations, he tended to go in wild and go 50/50

Mar 26, 2024
11:06:21am

Bob Vance Truly Addicted User

on layups, but generally I think he did a nice job diving toward and finishing at the rim in most games.

But we expect elite play and minimal missed layups at crunch time, so I understand the concern. But it also aflicts nearly everyone on the team for some reason.

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Anyone who wants to move on from Knell or wants Dallin Hall as a backup PG

seco03

Mar 26, 10:34am

The decision that needs to be made is that defensively do we want to find

BYUheaven

Mar 26, 10:41am

Thinking Hall is a backup PG is crazy. Cutting Knell’s minutes is not. Knell

TheMediator

Mar 26, 10:43am

I agree with what you said about Knell, not about Hall.

Archaea

Mar 26, 10:46am

I’d be surprised if there are any more than 2-4 guards in the portal more proven

arcawley

Mar 26, 10:53am

That's the staff's job to know, to find them and to lure them to BYU.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:02am

You could say the same about any player on our team.

Ham

Mar 26, 12:07pm

Exactly you always take someone better. The chances byu gets a better pg than

johnnybyu

Mar 26, 7:30pm

You have to be really careful about that because of how your team culture is affected

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 9:21pm

I agree

johnnybyu

Mar 27, 4:07pm

You just described Robinson

Remigius

Mar 26, 10:48am

I would disagree entirely. JR has a much higher ceiling, but he had

Archaea

Mar 26, 10:50am

JR has a higher ceiling

Remigius

Mar 26, 11:08am

Agreed. Started the season hot, then went super inconsistent. He's sadly not

Mitty

Mar 26, 11:51am

I thought he was a ‘plus’ defender whose assist-to-turnover ratio is great

BYU'01

Mar 26, 12:54pm

You are still talking Knell right? I mean I loved having on the team too. I'll

TheMediator

Mar 26, 3:16pm

Compare his assist/min or assist/TO rate to Jaxon or Dawson Baker. It’s great.

BYU'01

Mar 26, 3:29pm

JR handles the ball a lot more and more is demanded of him.

Archaea

Mar 26, 4:03pm

No, I’m saying he’s under calling TK’s contribution. JR handles the ball more

BYU'01

Mar 26, 6:30pm

TK should be a bench player, not a starter.

Archaea

Mar 27, 10:23am

I guess Mark Pope doesn’t see this team basketball the same way you do

BYU'01

Mar 27, 3:51pm

100%

gurt

Mar 26, 1:53pm

Spot on

ZuluBlue

Mar 26, 2:47pm

Agreed. He definitely strikes me as a bench player.

Hill4Heisman

Mar 26, 3:05pm

Totally agree. Knell can neither guard quicks on the perimeter and stop their

Love Cougs

Mar 26, 7:35pm

Someone can look at his stats but didn't he start off well but then tail off

Archaea

Mar 26, 10:44am

I'd say that top 4 in assists and assist to TO ratio in one of the best

seco03

Mar 26, 10:51am

It's not just about numbers IMHO.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:00am

I guess I disagree with your eye test then

seco03

Mar 26, 11:04am

I also think if you get a better backup PG and Hall doesn't have to play 36 min

seco03

Mar 26, 11:17am

Looked pretty solid closing out Kansas

4thand19

Mar 26, 11:45am

How did he look against Tech and Duquesne?

Archaea

Mar 26, 12:04pm

You already proved this entire season your eyes fail at the eye test. The worst.

Big Daddy D

Mar 26, 9:32pm

I would not.

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 11:32am

btw I am not interested in either of the propostions mentioned in the OP

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 11:45am

I hope he gets but he's not there now.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:54am

I agree that Knell was streaky, but he was 1 of only 2 players on our team who

jreid191

Mar 26, 10:58am

He doesn't have any other skill sets though.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:01am

I'm fine w/ him coming off the bench if we can bring in another capable player

jreid191

Mar 26, 11:13am

I wouldn't say Hall couldn't finish at the rim. I think in clutch situations, he tended to go in wild and go 50/50

Bob Vance

Mar 26, 11:06am

If he is not Ainge or Jimmer level he is not worth it as a starting point guard?

jvr7

Mar 26, 12:30pm

Jimmer wasn't the Jimmer we all remember

BondWeaver

Mar 26, 2:27pm

Our shooters need someone who can drive and kick. Hall showed glimpses all year

VirginiaPeanut

Mar 26, 10:49am

For some reason, Knell became CB's whipping boy even though multiple players

runnincoug

Mar 26, 11:02am

Knell's season stats show him to still be a solid offensive player

runnincoug

Mar 26, 12:23pm

Agree on Hall but not Knell. Knell's 3 point % is skewed a bit by early

kansascougar

Mar 26, 11:06am

Elite?-Come on. Solid?-Yes. A worthy B12 starter?-Yes.May become elite?-Yes,

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 11:24am

Several opposing big 12 announcers have called him elite

seco03

Mar 26, 11:25am

I'm sure you'll claim this is coach speak but it's something

seco03

Mar 26, 11:27am

It is coachspeak. Pope talked up even WVU.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:57am

You are really over selling Hall. He had some great moments for the team this year but we got beat by teams who

Blue2thebone

Mar 26, 11:31am

This.

Archaea

Mar 26, 11:57am

I suppose if we had an all American we’d still be playing

Remigius

Mar 26, 12:02pm

If we had anyone that could beat someone off the dribble we would still be

kansascougar

Mar 26, 12:03pm

We have a point guard that did that consistently all year

Remigius

Mar 26, 12:07pm

I love Hall but he did not consistently beat opposing PGs off the dribble IMO.

kansascougar

Mar 26, 5:51pm

Not really. Go back and watch the first half vs Houston or the end of the KU game and watch Hall

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 1:11pm

did you not read my post? I said he had terrific moments. But his average isn't terrific and he's limited due to speed

Blue2thebone

Mar 26, 4:24pm

Dallin still has a lot of room to grow. I think he is great and still has room to develop. I think Knell has hit his

TheLoneCougar

Mar 26, 12:02pm

Knell shot like 32% from 3 in B12

gocougs719

Mar 26, 12:31pm

He actually shot 36% from 3 in conference play. 2nd best on the team

cougarfan84

Mar 26, 1:41pm

Now add in conference tourney and Duquesene…

gocougs719

Mar 26, 8:53pm

Knell really started to struggle after his foot injury

Cougforgood

Mar 26, 12:32pm

You think Dallin Hall is an elite Big 12 Point Guard? I think he is a good

Jdoc

Mar 26, 12:50pm

He was voted honorable mention all big12 pg... so 4th best pg? Pretty good!

runnincoug

Mar 26, 12:52pm

I wouldn't rate him fourth. There are several point guards named Honorable

Jdoc

Mar 26, 1:00pm

Correct. Look at all the Honorable Mention named

Archaea

Mar 26, 1:13pm

Fair enough, maybe not elite. But pretty darn good.

runnincoug

Mar 26, 1:28pm

My understanding is, Honorable Mention does not mean 4th. It means

BYUDM93

Mar 26, 4:01pm

Next year he might be

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 1:15pm

He’s a sophomore. Improved dramatically over the season. Had that potential

gocougs719

Mar 26, 8:55pm

Knell had a 2 month stretch to finish the season he shot about 25 % from the 3P

cougaman

Mar 26, 1:39pm

What on earth are you talking about? He was 37/44 (84%) from the FT line during

cougarfan84

Mar 26, 1:46pm

Meant 3 Pt line and have edited it.

cougaman

Mar 26, 1:51pm

So basically, not counting his 4 best shooting games in conference play his

cougarfan84

Mar 26, 2:09pm

2 months is far from a small sample size, and he does nothing else above average

cougaman

Mar 26, 2:18pm

I thought his 9 3PFGs against Cinci was passable as well 🙄

BYU'01

Mar 26, 2:40pm

I misremembered the game. Regardless, he want very good outside the 1 game

cougaman

Mar 26, 2:51pm

Knell should be at most an end-of-the-rotation shooter. A guy who comes in for 5-10 a game & chucks em up, or

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 1:43pm

That’s a still a far cry from “move on”.

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 2:29pm

I highly doubt Pope has any intention of moving Knell — or encouraging him to move.

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 3:20pm

Stewart and Atiki are the only possible guys we'll move on from. What this team needs is additions not replacements

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 4:12pm

I agree w that. I think Knell would be encouraged along at most programs, though

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 4:18pm

It’s not Knell’s shooting that makes me want an upgrade. It’s his limitations on

ledfoot

Mar 26, 2:59pm

Eh. Stop hangin on Jay Drew's every word... is maybe some other advice you should consider.

SinkingQuffa

Mar 26, 3:24pm

I think they are both great ward ball players. Sort of like most of our team.

Big-Q

Mar 26, 3:07pm

A dominant theme on CB is the grass is always greener on the other side.

rockyrd

Mar 26, 3:17pm

Knell is great when he is making 3's, If he's not making 3's he doesn't bring much. I would prefer to see him come off

Nuke

Mar 26, 3:39pm

A PG who has yet to average 10+ ppg after 2 years is elite? Say what?

ldssdl

Mar 26, 5:47pm

I bet his numbers compare favorably to Shead’s sophomore numbers and other Big 12 point guards

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