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Jan 23, 2017
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jaromp
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This is what I don't get. Is is so hard for the military to appoint a BYU guy for the BYU ROTC post?
I'm sure there would be several willing to sign the HC. It would seem like SOP to appoint an alumnus to the post.
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BYU losing both Army and Air Force ROTC units because of Honor Code?
snowbird
1/23/17 2:42pm
Oh great! Now who will fire the cannon!?
finnish_blue
1/23/17 2:43pm
not just the cannon. The George Q. Cannon!
hxmCougar2000
1/23/17 3:00pm
I'm not a fan of the HC, but I don't care that the ROTC is leaving either.
Pimpin4Paradise
1/23/17 2:45pm
That's unfortunate. The Army and AF ROTCs produce great officers for
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 2:48pm
If they just have to commute to UVU, they'll still get the same officers, No?
Metallicat
1/23/17 2:53pm
Ideally yes. But the additional constraints will make it that much
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 3:03pm
If someone really wants to get commissioned, they'll find a way to it make work.
Metallicat
1/23/17 3:16pm
I know several officers that only joined because the had the Detachment
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:05pm
So these officers would not join if they had to drive 15 min to UVU?
Metallicat
1/24/17 2:24am
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MMCougIII
1/24/17 2:58am
I can see that.
Metallicat
1/24/17 3:16am
what are the social politics of the federal government?
ag4cougs
1/23/17 2:57pm
STOP! Army is not ordered to leave....(quite yet)
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 2:46pm
Exactly. And once the AF Col gets switched out, one could reasonably assume that it will return to byu.
macaroni
1/23/17 3:29pm
I doubt it. Once the enterprise moves it would be tough to bring it back
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:06pm
Maybe. Maybe not. It's not strange to see changes made, programs created and moved, etc.
macaroni
1/23/17 5:23pm
I can vouch for RealTexan. He's as connected to Army ROTC as you can be.
Six Foot Seven
1/23/17 4:20pm
The writing is on the wall, sir. The Air Force was first forced out, but the
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:07pm
Yep
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 5:34pm
Huh. I'm concerned that BYU doesn't have place with its morals, but . . .
CosmoK
1/23/17 2:48pm
BYU has had USAF officers doing this since 1951
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:08pm
?
Jay Rick
1/23/17 6:02pm
The AF has assigned an LDS PAS to BYU ever since I can remember
demon_llama
1/23/17 6:23pm
well that's a very one-sided way to attack BYU
Cougarclaw
1/23/17 2:49pm
I'm not sure what the other side would be...
cougarstolz
1/23/17 2:53pm
Yep, there's another side and it's more complex than Reddit reports
ColoSpgs
1/23/17 3:06pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 3:31pm
PMS > PAS
Cougarclaw
1/23/17 3:35pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 6:25pm
Quote from captured Iraqi commander
Cougarclaw
1/23/17 6:49pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 6:52pm
Iraq air force and ada was top notch!!
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 7:18pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 7:36pm
Not correct. Battle of 73 Easting. Zero air support. A US armored division is the most powerful entity in the world.
macaroni
1/23/17 7:22pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 7:32pm
Yes. Still. In a force on force conventional war, all Air Force assets are very vulnerable.
macaroni
1/23/17 8:17pm
73 Easting, son!
macaroni
1/23/17 7:20pm
the AF has O-6 volunteers every year for this.
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:11pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 6:26pm
2 questions I have: Was the DoD appointee for the position not a member of the
LeftOfNormal
1/23/17 2:52pm
The issue is all about....
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 2:56pm
can't this be "slow walked" until the obamites all free from the DOD?
ds7
1/23/17 3:25pm
Correct, the head of both ROTC programs is supposed to be a Temple Recommend
TheLoneCougar
1/23/17 2:57pm
Incorrect!
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 3:00pm
You are incorrect Sir.
TheLoneCougar
1/23/17 3:10pm
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if ND has had to deal with anything similar.
Jay Rick
1/23/17 3:15pm
ND does not
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 3:25pm
I'm just wondering based on Lonecougar's comment that ND requires they be
Jay Rick
1/23/17 3:32pm
LoneCougar--Read your BM! I know what I'm talking about.
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 3:24pm
That sounds like a bunch of malarky. I am an Alumnus of the ROTC department.
TheLoneCougar
1/23/17 2:53pm
So the colonel wouldn't be over both the AFROTC and Army ROTC
Lieutenant America
1/23/17 2:54pm
Correct. 2 distinct programs, getting guidance from different
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 2:57pm
why is one can stay but one feels then need to leave?
ds7
1/23/17 3:26pm
Everyone tweet to Trump. He can fix this.
Mike Honcho
1/23/17 3:13pm
Please do!
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 3:26pm
but i was told by our own "military expert" it was a waste of time...
ds7
1/23/17 3:28pm
It is a waste of time. You're welcome.
macaroni
1/23/17 3:32pm
This is absolutely ridiculous. The last thing BYU needs is the military upset.
ColumbusCoug
1/23/17 3:35pm
You don't think it's reasonable for BYU to expect all professors to sign the honor code that all students also sign?
jaromp
1/23/17 3:38pm
No, I don't believe a military appointed official should be subject to signing
ColumbusCoug
1/23/17 3:45pm
what if it's both?
ds7
1/23/17 3:50pm
Who actually pays the position - BYU or the military?
ColumbusCoug
1/23/17 3:58pm
That sounds absolutely right, and if true, and you do write such a letter, I'd
Jay Rick
1/23/17 4:00pm
what if he's paid by the military but BYU subsidizes the program w/ access
ds7
1/23/17 4:02pm
If he is paid by the military, BYU should be embarrassed and work to resolve
ColumbusCoug
1/23/17 4:04pm
Yes. Paid by Fed. Govt (DOD)
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 4:18pm
I just don't understand how BYU Admin can lack such common sense
ColumbusCoug
1/23/17 4:29pm
It is a military appointed position...
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 4:21pm
It sounds then like this is something BYU could easily avoid, if it wanted to.
Jay Rick
1/23/17 6:07pm
It's both...
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 6:18pm
Religious document? It's a code of conduct. If you want the BYU post, you sign the BYU code of conduct
jaromp
1/23/17 6:37pm
It is a military position, but there are plenty of LDS O-6s
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:20pm
In this case, no. A DOD rep should not have to sign BYU's HC.
ag4cougs
1/23/17 3:57pm
More and more on the fringe with decisions like these
OC Coug
1/23/17 4:01pm
This is exactly the problem with all this stuff - I get it that BYU has a
Jay Rick
1/23/17 4:05pm
There are plenty of Air Force Colonels that would sign the HC
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:22pm
Where is Carrie Jenkins involvement in all this? I wish they would shake that
Q-grr
1/23/17 4:06pm
This is outrageous. I personally know an O-6, Vice Wg/CC, graduated Sq/CC
demon_llama
1/23/17 4:50pm
This is what I don't get. Is is so hard for the military to appoint a BYU guy for the BYU ROTC post?
jaromp
1/23/17 4:56pm
Nope, it's like shooting fish in a barrel to find an LDS O-6
demon_llama
1/23/17 5:23pm
It was a deliberate decision by the previous USAF Political leaders
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 5:39pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 6:32pm
point is the AF doesn't *want* to accommodate BYU on this anymore
demon_llama
1/23/17 6:33pm
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MMCougIII
1/23/17 6:38pm
^^^this^^^
RealTexan Coug
1/23/17 7:20pm
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