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May 26, 2017
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Game Changer
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Jordan vs. Suns in '93 Finals: 41.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg. Best ever, period.
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Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...
MormonDevil
5/26/17 2:47pm
Wrong. And I'm not a child of the 90s.
Kerbouchard
5/26/17 2:49pm
Not. Close.
Mathew
5/26/17 2:49pm
Not even close? Really?
MormonDevil
5/26/17 2:54pm
I think he is saying that Lebron is way better than Jordan.
Baron
5/26/17 2:58pm
Yes, really. Jordan was a better defender, better shooter, just as explosive of an athlete
IrishCooga
5/26/17 3:00pm
I think you could argue the era that Jordan played in wasn't as good as the
thebruce
5/26/17 3:06pm
Were they as good as the Mavericks team that Lebron lost to?
BYU1982
5/26/17 3:17pm
I'd probably take that mavs team over
thebruce
5/26/17 3:20pm
I kind of agree, but the difference is Lebron lost
BYU1982
5/26/17 3:27pm
Yes, but 1 year doesn't make a career.
thebruce
5/26/17 3:40pm
Again, difference is Jordan never turned into a shell like Lebron did
BYU1982
5/26/17 3:44pm
And Jordan never had a series as good as LeBron v gsw in 2016
thebruce
5/26/17 4:02pm
Jordan vs. Suns in '93 Finals: 41.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg. Best ever, period.
Game Changer
5/26/17 5:07pm
I actually watched that entire series last summer...I even posted about it on CB
thebruce
5/26/17 5:25pm
Bro, that team was terrible. JJ Barea was a factor.
macaroni
5/26/17 3:35pm
Not a great team but... That's my point.
thebruce
5/26/17 3:59pm
That's insane. Their second best player was a 37 year old Jason Kidd who was out of the league after the next year.
macaroni
5/26/17 6:56pm
Jason Kidd was probably their 5th or 6th best player
thebruce
5/26/17 8:05pm
He can't be anything over 5th; he played the 2nd most minutes on the team. But even then it doesn't speak well of them
macaroni
5/26/17 8:51pm
Rick Carlisle is a great coach.
thebruce
5/26/17 9:12pm
At least those teams had multiple all stars.
macaroni
5/26/17 9:58pm
Tyson chandler was an all star
thebruce
5/26/17 10:21pm
trucked? oh, come on, bruce. no way you actually believe that.
macaroni
5/26/17 11:21pm
I am very familiar with what those teams had. I watched those series last
thebruce
5/27/17 6:31am
I think I already explained win totals. It's a non sequitur argument. They didn't play the same teams, nor did they play
macaroni
5/27/17 8:58am
I'm not pumping them up--I'm saying they are the same caliber as those other
thebruce
5/27/17 9:14am
There is no metric that shows they were comparable to any of those teams. I also never said they couldn't make the team.
macaroni
5/27/17 10:34am
Also, a number of your details were wrong. Dirk wasn't 37. That would make him
thebruce
5/27/17 6:39am
Kidd was 37. In sorry, but a guy who averages 10 ppg and can only score on lobs doesn't scare me.
macaroni
5/27/17 9:03am
Try game planning against an elite rim runner.
thebruce
5/27/17 9:19am
Here's a link that shows what I'm talking about.
thebruce
5/27/17 9:23am
Oh, I realize that but we aren't talking about Amare' here. We are talking about a career 8ppg guy. If HE were that good
macaroni
5/27/17 10:30am
Yup.....that Mavs team routinely makes the lists of "Worst Championship team"
BoiseBlue
5/26/17 4:06pm
Yep, and Jordan was a favorite in all 6 of his Finals appearances. Lebron
messi
5/26/17 3:19pm
Probably because they have Michael Jordan.
macaroni
5/26/17 3:21pm
I do this hesitantly, but I liked your post
IrishCooga
5/26/17 3:41pm
Several of Jordan's teams would have been underdogs to last year's
messi
5/26/17 3:55pm
Absolutely.
thebruce
5/26/17 4:05pm
Maybe. Maybe not. MJ has a lot of sway, and don't forget that he played teams like the Warriors on his way to the finals
macaroni
5/26/17 6:58pm
RE: Maybe. Maybe not. MJ has a lot of sway, and don't forget that he played
messi
5/26/17 7:30pm
Well said!
macaroni
5/26/17 7:35pm
That's an interesting take. I don't think there is a much talent today, but players are probably better. I think the
macaroni
5/26/17 3:20pm
Players are far more skilled and versatile today.
thebruce
5/26/17 3:30pm
We are in agreement. I wrote essentially the same thing.
macaroni
5/26/17 3:45pm
To me it's a matter of math.
thebruce
5/26/17 4:24pm
Uh...but you have more teams. How is that better math? You're making the argument that old school guys make against this
macaroni
5/26/17 7:04pm
As I said before... Those teams in the 80s/90s for the most part sucked, had too
thebruce
5/27/17 6:46am
Ok, make that argument. That lends itself more to the fact that more players are more skilled in different ways
IrishCooga
5/26/17 3:44pm
the game has changed a lot.
thebruce
5/26/17 5:12pm
Better shooter?
Lip Gallagher
5/26/17 6:16pm
Ok, this is the worst possible answer you can give, because it's very close and
messi
5/26/17 2:55pm
Really? when I opined LBJ was the best you laughed at me.
RalphWiggam
5/26/17 3:25pm
Ha, no. I laughed because somebody complained that Lebron whined and you
messi
5/26/17 4:02pm
It was more like a "who cares if he whines? He's the GOAT" but oh well.
RalphWiggam
5/26/17 4:46pm
Come on. Sure he is, and it's probably as close as splitting hairs.
Kerbouchard
5/26/17 2:56pm
Not even close.
IrishCooga
5/26/17 3:01pm
Evidence?
Lip Gallagher
5/26/17 6:17pm
Close and getting closer, especially if Lebron wins this year
Memmo
5/26/17 2:58pm
yes close...but i'd take MJ
nashty
5/26/17 3:17pm
Who's close? Kobe? No one is closer than LBJ.
Harrison0Yfan
5/26/17 4:26pm
RE: Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...
WDaddy
5/26/17 2:50pm
#5 is just amazing on so many levels.
byubyu
5/26/17 2:53pm
The perception that Jordan is a better player is based off of
BoiseBlue
5/26/17 2:59pm
stats are about even though depending on which you use. as far as the
smokymountainrain
5/26/17 3:04pm
I agree with you - the stats are a razor-thin margin.....
BoiseBlue
5/26/17 3:24pm
What's crazy is Lebron is 32 years old. His body can play for another
HingleMcCringleberry
5/26/17 3:09pm
Crazy to think that Lebron could basically start a new career as a traditional 4
CaliWG
5/26/17 3:22pm
Where this argument falls apart is when you consider Bill Russell.
RBCoug
5/26/17 3:18pm
Agree, one superstar with 4 supporting players who has the most rings
germ1
5/26/17 4:13pm
LeBron = better athlete. But in terms of skill, Jordan was significantly better
Game Changer
5/26/17 3:02pm
Significantly? Really?
MormonDevil
5/26/17 3:03pm
Yeah, I think so. And I don't even like the guy. LeBron is a freakish athlete
Game Changer
5/26/17 3:06pm
I dispute the notion that James is a better athlete.
IrishCooga
5/26/17 3:04pm
I think LeBron's size and strength allows him to do things that Jordan never
Game Changer
5/26/17 3:09pm
Go back and watch Jordan highlights.
slowhiteguy
5/26/17 3:03pm
RE: Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...
YardTime
5/26/17 3:08pm
I'm telling ya, this apple is far more apple than that orange. Sorry orange lovers.
Division Bell
5/26/17 3:11pm
Yep, people have a hard time letting go of nostalgia. Also, the more time goes
Crush4
5/26/17 3:11pm
The offsetting love of what is "now" and forgetting about how great people
BYU1982
5/26/17 3:15pm
Exactly. So many "LeBron is the GOAT!!!" posts during the games. Recency bias.
Game Changer
5/26/17 3:20pm
lol... This LeBron love is insane he's great, but he ain't Mike.
Cougar86
5/26/17 3:11pm
IMHO it's very close. But I just can't give the GOAT title to someone who is
BYU_CPU
5/26/17 3:15pm
Not a good shot?
HingleMcCringleberry
5/26/17 3:19pm
Yes, he has a high percentage. Largely impart to lay-ins and dunks. Take those
BYU_CPU
5/26/17 3:27pm
Teams are not leaving him wide open at the 3
HingleMcCringleberry
5/26/17 3:35pm
Agree to disagree. What I see are guys close enough to not give him a running
BYU_CPU
5/26/17 3:38pm
That is definitely something interesting that Lebron brings in his game though,
HingleMcCringleberry
5/26/17 3:40pm
Not a great shot, but he's not a bad shot. I'd bet MJ was worse.
Lip Gallagher
5/26/17 6:24pm
Jordan NEVER lost in the finals. 6-0. Lebron is #2 but it's not by a wide margin
cougarnerd
5/26/17 3:17pm
How many times did he lose in the first round? What about LeBron?
byubyu
5/26/17 3:19pm
LeBron did, but didn't he have Iglauskas and Snow
Crush4
5/26/17 3:20pm
Like Lebron in 2011 when he still lost?
BYU1982
5/26/17 3:22pm
Lebron has been to 7 straight finals and 8 total
RBCoug
5/26/17 3:27pm
Again, I don't think the margin is very wide.
cougarnerd
5/26/17 3:34pm
but the eastern conference teams are not nearly as good as they were when Jordan
budYu
5/26/17 3:34pm
This is a fair point. There were some easy ones for sure, but a few years back
RBCoug
5/26/17 3:50pm
Golden States championship year it lined up for them but last year they had to
budYu
5/26/17 3:55pm
True. It varies from year to year. Lebron had some tough series earlier, but it
RBCoug
5/26/17 4:00pm
Winning the East is not that impressive, conference has been very weak for years
Game Changer
5/26/17 3:36pm
Jordan was more clutch than any other player in history. Period.
idacoug
5/26/17 3:31pm
LOL. #1 was like a Title winning celebration. Didn't they lose that series?
SlippinJimmie
5/26/17 3:36pm
Every MJ buzzer beat ever trumps that? That seems a bit extreme...
HingleMcCringleberry
5/26/17 3:47pm
yeah, lebron's buzzer beaters tougher shots than MJ's
smokymountainrain
5/27/17 10:25am
Can't we just celebrate the fact that these two are insanely amazing?
maxpowers
5/26/17 3:48pm
Taysom Hill is bigger faster and stronger than Drew Brees
BigYfan
5/26/17 3:51pm
Keep telling yourself that, MJ is the GOAT
Dynomite
5/26/17 4:16pm
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