Where this argument falls apart is when you consider Bill Russell.

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May 26, 2017
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RBCoug

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Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...

MormonDevil

5/26/17 2:47pm

Wrong. And I'm not a child of the 90s.

Kerbouchard

5/26/17 2:49pm

Not. Close.

Mathew

5/26/17 2:49pm

Not even close? Really?

MormonDevil

5/26/17 2:54pm

I think he is saying that Lebron is way better than Jordan.

Baron

5/26/17 2:58pm

Yes, really. Jordan was a better defender, better shooter, just as explosive of an athlete

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:00pm

I think you could argue the era that Jordan played in wasn't as good as the

thebruce

5/26/17 3:06pm

Were they as good as the Mavericks team that Lebron lost to?

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:17pm

I'd probably take that mavs team over

thebruce

5/26/17 3:20pm

I kind of agree, but the difference is Lebron lost

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:27pm

Yes, but 1 year doesn't make a career.

thebruce

5/26/17 3:40pm

Again, difference is Jordan never turned into a shell like Lebron did

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:44pm

And Jordan never had a series as good as LeBron v gsw in 2016

thebruce

5/26/17 4:02pm

Jordan vs. Suns in '93 Finals: 41.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg. Best ever, period.

Game Changer

5/26/17 5:07pm

I actually watched that entire series last summer...I even posted about it on CB

thebruce

5/26/17 5:25pm

Bro, that team was terrible. JJ Barea was a factor.

macaroni

5/26/17 3:35pm

Not a great team but... That's my point.

thebruce

5/26/17 3:59pm

That's insane. Their second best player was a 37 year old Jason Kidd who was out of the league after the next year.

macaroni

5/26/17 6:56pm

Jason Kidd was probably their 5th or 6th best player

thebruce

5/26/17 8:05pm

He can't be anything over 5th; he played the 2nd most minutes on the team. But even then it doesn't speak well of them

macaroni

5/26/17 8:51pm

Rick Carlisle is a great coach.

thebruce

5/26/17 9:12pm

At least those teams had multiple all stars.

macaroni

5/26/17 9:58pm

Tyson chandler was an all star

thebruce

5/26/17 10:21pm

trucked? oh, come on, bruce. no way you actually believe that.

macaroni

5/26/17 11:21pm

I am very familiar with what those teams had. I watched those series last

thebruce

5/27/17 6:31am

I think I already explained win totals. It's a non sequitur argument. They didn't play the same teams, nor did they play

macaroni

5/27/17 8:58am

I'm not pumping them up--I'm saying they are the same caliber as those other

thebruce

5/27/17 9:14am

There is no metric that shows they were comparable to any of those teams. I also never said they couldn't make the team.

macaroni

5/27/17 10:34am

Also, a number of your details were wrong. Dirk wasn't 37. That would make him

thebruce

5/27/17 6:39am

Kidd was 37. In sorry, but a guy who averages 10 ppg and can only score on lobs doesn't scare me.

macaroni

5/27/17 9:03am

Try game planning against an elite rim runner.

thebruce

5/27/17 9:19am

Here's a link that shows what I'm talking about.

thebruce

5/27/17 9:23am

Oh, I realize that but we aren't talking about Amare' here. We are talking about a career 8ppg guy. If HE were that good

macaroni

5/27/17 10:30am

Yup.....that Mavs team routinely makes the lists of "Worst Championship team"

BoiseBlue

5/26/17 4:06pm

Yep, and Jordan was a favorite in all 6 of his Finals appearances. Lebron

messi

5/26/17 3:19pm

Probably because they have Michael Jordan.

macaroni

5/26/17 3:21pm

I do this hesitantly, but I liked your post

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:41pm

Several of Jordan's teams would have been underdogs to last year's

messi

5/26/17 3:55pm

Absolutely.

thebruce

5/26/17 4:05pm

Maybe. Maybe not. MJ has a lot of sway, and don't forget that he played teams like the Warriors on his way to the finals

macaroni

5/26/17 6:58pm

RE: Maybe. Maybe not. MJ has a lot of sway, and don't forget that he played

messi

5/26/17 7:30pm

Well said!

macaroni

5/26/17 7:35pm

That's an interesting take. I don't think there is a much talent today, but players are probably better. I think the

macaroni

5/26/17 3:20pm

Players are far more skilled and versatile today.

thebruce

5/26/17 3:30pm

We are in agreement. I wrote essentially the same thing.

macaroni

5/26/17 3:45pm

To me it's a matter of math.

thebruce

5/26/17 4:24pm

Uh...but you have more teams. How is that better math? You're making the argument that old school guys make against this

macaroni

5/26/17 7:04pm

As I said before... Those teams in the 80s/90s for the most part sucked, had too

thebruce

5/27/17 6:46am

Ok, make that argument. That lends itself more to the fact that more players are more skilled in different ways

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:44pm

the game has changed a lot.

thebruce

5/26/17 5:12pm

Better shooter?

Lip Gallagher

5/26/17 6:16pm

Ok, this is the worst possible answer you can give, because it's very close and

messi

5/26/17 2:55pm

Really? when I opined LBJ was the best you laughed at me.

RalphWiggam

5/26/17 3:25pm

Ha, no. I laughed because somebody complained that Lebron whined and you

messi

5/26/17 4:02pm

It was more like a "who cares if he whines? He's the GOAT" but oh well.

RalphWiggam

5/26/17 4:46pm

Come on. Sure he is, and it's probably as close as splitting hairs.

Kerbouchard

5/26/17 2:56pm

Not even close.

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:01pm

Evidence?

Lip Gallagher

5/26/17 6:17pm

Close and getting closer, especially if Lebron wins this year

Memmo

5/26/17 2:58pm

yes close...but i'd take MJ

nashty

5/26/17 3:17pm

Who's close? Kobe? No one is closer than LBJ.

Harrison0Yfan

5/26/17 4:26pm

RE: Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...

WDaddy

5/26/17 2:50pm

#5 is just amazing on so many levels.

byubyu

5/26/17 2:53pm

The perception that Jordan is a better player is based off of

BoiseBlue

5/26/17 2:59pm

stats are about even though depending on which you use. as far as the

smokymountainrain

5/26/17 3:04pm

I agree with you - the stats are a razor-thin margin.....

BoiseBlue

5/26/17 3:24pm

What's crazy is Lebron is 32 years old. His body can play for another

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:09pm

Crazy to think that Lebron could basically start a new career as a traditional 4

CaliWG

5/26/17 3:22pm

Where this argument falls apart is when you consider Bill Russell.

RBCoug

5/26/17 3:18pm

Agree, one superstar with 4 supporting players who has the most rings

germ1

5/26/17 4:13pm

LeBron = better athlete. But in terms of skill, Jordan was significantly better

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:02pm

Significantly? Really?

MormonDevil

5/26/17 3:03pm

Yeah, I think so. And I don't even like the guy. LeBron is a freakish athlete

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:06pm

I dispute the notion that James is a better athlete.

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:04pm

I think LeBron's size and strength allows him to do things that Jordan never

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:09pm

Go back and watch Jordan highlights.

slowhiteguy

5/26/17 3:03pm

RE: Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...

YardTime

5/26/17 3:08pm

I'm telling ya, this apple is far more apple than that orange. Sorry orange lovers.

Division Bell

5/26/17 3:11pm

Yep, people have a hard time letting go of nostalgia. Also, the more time goes

Crush4

5/26/17 3:11pm

The offsetting love of what is "now" and forgetting about how great people

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:15pm

Exactly. So many "LeBron is the GOAT!!!" posts during the games. Recency bias.

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:20pm

lol... This LeBron love is insane he's great, but he ain't Mike.

Cougar86

5/26/17 3:11pm

IMHO it's very close. But I just can't give the GOAT title to someone who is

BYU_CPU

5/26/17 3:15pm

Not a good shot?

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:19pm

Yes, he has a high percentage. Largely impart to lay-ins and dunks. Take those

BYU_CPU

5/26/17 3:27pm

Teams are not leaving him wide open at the 3

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:35pm

Agree to disagree. What I see are guys close enough to not give him a running

BYU_CPU

5/26/17 3:38pm

That is definitely something interesting that Lebron brings in his game though,

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:40pm

Not a great shot, but he's not a bad shot. I'd bet MJ was worse.

Lip Gallagher

5/26/17 6:24pm

Jordan NEVER lost in the finals. 6-0. Lebron is #2 but it's not by a wide margin

cougarnerd

5/26/17 3:17pm

How many times did he lose in the first round? What about LeBron?

byubyu

5/26/17 3:19pm

LeBron did, but didn't he have Iglauskas and Snow

Crush4

5/26/17 3:20pm

Like Lebron in 2011 when he still lost?

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:22pm

Lebron has been to 7 straight finals and 8 total

RBCoug

5/26/17 3:27pm

Again, I don't think the margin is very wide.

cougarnerd

5/26/17 3:34pm

but the eastern conference teams are not nearly as good as they were when Jordan

budYu

5/26/17 3:34pm

This is a fair point. There were some easy ones for sure, but a few years back

RBCoug

5/26/17 3:50pm

Golden States championship year it lined up for them but last year they had to

budYu

5/26/17 3:55pm

True. It varies from year to year. Lebron had some tough series earlier, but it

RBCoug

5/26/17 4:00pm

Winning the East is not that impressive, conference has been very weak for years

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:36pm

Jordan was more clutch than any other player in history. Period.

idacoug

5/26/17 3:31pm

LOL. #1 was like a Title winning celebration. Didn't they lose that series?

SlippinJimmie

5/26/17 3:36pm

Every MJ buzzer beat ever trumps that? That seems a bit extreme...

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:47pm

yeah, lebron's buzzer beaters tougher shots than MJ's

smokymountainrain

5/27/17 10:25am

Can't we just celebrate the fact that these two are insanely amazing?

maxpowers

5/26/17 3:48pm

Taysom Hill is bigger faster and stronger than Drew Brees

BigYfan

5/26/17 3:51pm

Keep telling yourself that, MJ is the GOAT

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